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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/46214865

Plans to build more gas plants are not new, and the previous government also wanted to expand capacity, but the new targets are around double those of the past.

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[โ€“] Anonymaus@feddit.org -4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

A lot of western countries are following usa lead, when they started denouncing their environment policy and started to increase their gas production/consumption other western countries just blindly followed (pro-usa idiots really don't like facing facts)

[โ€“] brotundspiele@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We've got a new, conservative government in Germany since the beginning of 2025, replacing a (more or less) progressive one. The green party is no longer part of the government. We can elect stupid politicians all by ourselves, we don't need the USA for that.

[โ€“] Anonymaus@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thats true, stupidity isnt limited by borders, but without trump in the office, realigning green policy would be unthinkable

[โ€“] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

@Anonymaus@feddit.org

A lot of western countries are following usa lead

The comment and the data on the linked sites say that gas demand has spurred by China, Russia, and the USA.

Did China and Russia also follow the US lead? Or did they increase their gas consumption independently?

[โ€“] Anonymaus@feddit.org -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Russia and china do not fall under the western countries category, my previous comment was meant for western countries and how the majority of them realigned their green policy, after usa changed theirs

[โ€“] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So Russia and China, number 2 and 3 world gas consumers, are increasing their gas consumption independently, right? Is is that what you say? For the world climate it doesn't make a difference.

[โ€“] Anonymaus@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What Im trying to say is, that usa and eu are also contributing to global warming-not just china and russia

[โ€“] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say that they are following the lead of the US, it's more that the chaos caused by the US forces a lot of Western countries to give up on long-term plans to invest in the future and go back to solutions that are safe in the present.

Environment policy is a long term investment, and we are facing short term problems. I am not saying this is right or even acceptable, but that's what we're facing now that the "rest of the world" is caught between US and Chinese imperialism.

[โ€“] Anonymaus@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I understand what you mean, but I dont think getting europe hocked only on oil and gas again is good idea, given what happened with russia and although we cant count only on renewable energy, because it cant work all-year round, we also shouldn't abandon it completely

[โ€“] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We totally agree, I'm just saying that I dare to hope that the point of all this is to detach from the US rather than ally further with it.

[โ€“] Anonymaus@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, that is my hope as wellโ€”I hope we become truly independent militarily, digitally, and in terms of resources, so that we may finally become more than just a playground for other countries.