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Might help also to describe what you think feminism is, since it's one of those terms that is overloaded.

I once had a physical therapist tell me she wasn't a feminist because she thought women couldn't be as physically capable as men when serving as soldiers, and seemed to believe feminism requires treating women exactly like men.

I told her I was a feminist because I believe in equal rights for men and women, an idea she did not seem so opposed to.

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[โ€“] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There are a lot of good points in there, the historical part especially highlights good parts why feminism is necessary.

However, studies show that women simply don't want to be CEOs at the same rate as men. Women personally want to be more in domestic/caretaking roles than men. Women want to take more maternal leave than men. Now of course you might try to explain these in terms of existing structures that push women to think like that, but how do you explain that women in "more equal"/more feminist societies actually more heavily lean into these differences?

Have you ever thought about the remaining gender pay gap being because women want to work less, thus having less experience, thus being paid less for less experience? There are studies that, when adjusting for these differences, find that the gender pay gap is actually 1% or less. It then stands to argue that the gender pay gap has not changed since the 90s because since then, for all variables adjusted, women already get paid the same as men. (Logically, if women were paid "too little", in our hyper-capitalistic world, you would see that companies made of women would severely outperform those made of mixed/male workforce, since companies made out of women workers would have severely lower costs. The fact that this is not the case tends to point towards pay being roughly equal. Anecdotally, I personally know 2 women who were unhappy in a "feminism-pushed" leading role and switched to a more classically women-associated work, and becoming more happy as a result of that.)

I love feminism and it is overall a good thing, but the sole problem I have with it is that it wants to eliminate "too much" inequality. Some inequality is desired because men and women are different in some ways. The hormonal mixture is very different, with hormones strongly affecting our behavior. Thus, it is expected that behavior between men and women is different, thus differences should exist. I don't think the work is done for feminism, but I also think it's doing too much/the wrong thing in some places. Obviously, there's also a massive difference between regions in the world, Finland needing feminism much less than idk, Afghanistan.

[โ€“] AbeilleVegane@beehaw.org 3 points 3 days ago

From my feminist perspective, I want similar pay for similar tasks and experience, so your point could be construed, I think, as reductionist of all feminisms. I don't know any feminist in my circles that would argue that a man willing to do a dangerous job should be paid less to be equal to a woman doing a safer version of the job for example. The problem is that where I'm from, a woman and a man with the same diploma don't have similar salaries for the same job.