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There is no shortage of hype around AI coming for jobs, and while the U.S. labor market has begun to sputter, hard evidence of AI-related job losses is scarce.

Geoffrey Hinton’s message on a recent podcast about artificial intelligence was simple: “Train to be a plumber.”

Hinton, a Nobel Prize-winning computer scientist often called “the Godfather of AI,” said in June what people have now been saying for years: Jobs that include manual labor and expertise are the least vulnerable to modern technology than some other career paths, many of which have generally been considered more respected and more lucrative.

“I think plumbers are less at risk,” Hinton said. “Someone like a legal assistant, a paralegal, they’re not going to be needed for very long.”

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

hard evidence of AI-related job losses is scarce

This needs to be shouted from rooftops. As much as I think AI is a useful tool, all of these scenarios suggesting AI is going to radically change the world must be viewed through the lens of convincing investors to invest more money and businesses to spend more on AI. There is some value there in helping people do some tasks more efficiently, but AI can't currently wholesale replace people and I don't think LLMs ever will.

Don't change your career path due to AI (I'm sure there are exceptions, but by and large).

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I read stuff like this and wonder, have you ever actually tried to use AI to do something productive? Like for instance, write a complex SQL query in a large database?

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes. I use AI every day at work.

write a complex SQL query in a large database?

This is not a great use case for AI generation because it combines long multiple select queries with having to know the DDL of all the relevant tables. It might get you an approximation that needs tweaking, but if you work with SQL every day I'm going to bet you'd do a better job at this in less time than it takes to have AI help.

Things it's bad at:

  • ingesting lots of code, and spitting back out a "fixed" version of that code.
  • Writing complex logic in one fell swoop.
  • Writing code that has a bunch of externalities to consider like exactly where you store user scripts on a given Linux installation or writing stuff that works locally AND in the CI/CD pipeline, etc.
  • Adding code to a codebase that contains a bunch of custom packages and non-standard designs

Things it's good at:

  • "Complete all the swagger annotations for http status codes 400, 401, 403 <...>"
  • "Review the standards provided in corp_api_design.md and validate conformance."
  • "Describe the necessary endpoints, components and functionalities for a user service." edit result and ask for review
    • "Given this architecture, stub out a controller, service, and any request and response objects."
    • edits result and request review
    • "Add validations to " repeat as necessary
    • "Given this controller stub, service stub and response object, write a controller unit test using JUnit5 and MockMvc."
    • "Given <stub, etc.> implement "
    • "Given <Entity/ies> and create a mapper from entity to response. Use builder pattern and implement null checks."

Any of these results may need massaging by hand. The AI can't do the whole job, especially at once. But it can write bite sized pieces, sometimes even mouthfuls, very quickly. It's not instantaneous but it's faster than doing it from scratch. For me.

But I get the most value out of having my work instantly reviewed. I miss stuff. I typo stuff. Yesterday it caught in seconds a spot where I'd put a similarly named but wrong class and had struggled for 30 minutes to see it. It noticed the pattern established in similar code wasn't followed once I passed the unclear IDE error and code.

I know my job well but my execution is imperfect. AI excels at noticing those variations and imperfections from the rest of the code or industry standards.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That's fair, so your productivity has increased and error rate has lowered due to responsible usage of AI.

[–] chonkyninja@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, and it’s fucking garbage.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I use it daily, and I liken it to creative directing a fairly junior developer who has very little creativity or ability to think outside the box I build for it.

That said, I also remember when computers themselves were new and people were equally excited and equally skeptical. AI will improve. A lot. People will lose jobs, and jobs will be obsoleted in the same way nobody’s apprenticing as a type founder or letterpress mechanic.

I’m not too worried about there just suddenly being nothing for anyone to do anymore.

[–] sidelove@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I agree. As usual, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. The investor class says it'll replace everything, and pushback on the internet says it'll replace nothing. Junior developer is definitely an apt comparison, and while they have gotten a little more coherent, my eyes have started to glaze over with the release every new model claiming to be "the one".

The one thing the internet is bang on about is the intellectual property theft. Funny how all those laws and penalties that the likes of Disney and the MPAA pushed with millions of dollars of penalties for even small infractions never land when it's investors gaining and true creatives losing.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's an awesome take, finally someone with some experience and sense rather than "AI bad".

That said, what's realistically happening is one person who's already in the industry is using AI, meaning that a new hire is no longer needed because their productivity increased.

What's left for that computer science graduate that would have been the new hire that never happened? Blue-collar jobs indeed. There is much work to be done, just not the work that they had hoped for by going into +$80k in debt.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think juniors are going away. Maybe one less position or intern on a team. The thing is AI never gets any better, people do. Also a junior using AI might just be more productive while learning the core skills. A proposition I'm banking on by taking a new position leading a team and helping them leverage AI.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI has absolutely gotten better by a significant amount over the last 2 years.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Different kind of better than I'm talking about.

[–] phoenixarise@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Agreed. This is just a fad bubble that will pass. I’m looking forward to seeing those businesses that laid off their workers for AI in the near future. 😂