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[–] zululove@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Two things. One : that is ridiculous overreach.

Two : we shouldn’t accept a society so dangerous our kids can’t explore and have fun..

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

It's not dangerous, as long as you manage to evade the police.

[–] bignate31@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Your second point is really difficult for me as a parent with a new kid. Feels like we "know" so much more about serial killers / bad things that happen to kids that we're terrified of letting them do anything.

Of course in this case it would have been trivially solved by the city just adding sidewalks, but that feels like another point here.

[–] zululove@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

heard someone say “these kids will never have a summer like ‘85” and that frustrates me. I remember as a kid exploring the whole town with my friends. Predators or dangerous people was not so common. We should work towards getting that high trust society back. The type where we can leave our doors unlocked at night..

Probably unrealistic in cities!

[–] PedestrianError@towns.gay 4 points 4 hours ago

@zululove @bignate31 Not at all. Kids in cities typically have a lot more freedom than kids in suburbs and crime rates are far lower now than they were in the 80s. The only differences are the car-dominance of the urban form and the climate of fear which is constantly stoked by politicians, tv, and social media.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 5 hours ago

Of course in this case it would have been trivially solved by the city just adding sidewalks, but that feels like another point here

It sounds like the family lives just outside of city limits of a small town, so a sidewalk or trail would involve significant investment for the benefit of very few people. I think in this instance its not actually an infrastructure problem but simply a challenge of where some people choose to live.

When you choose to live outside of town you're specifically choosing to always drive everywhere, and to receive no city services at all, and you're subjecting your kids who lack the same freedoms that you do to the same choices. Plenty of people choose the individualism of not receiving city services in exchange for being alone in the woods

As much as I'd love a world where everyone has a sidewalk, once you're out in the sticks it just becomes really hard to make sense to put a trail or sidewalk there. Especially because even if you imagine a world where every town is connected together by a dedicated cycle trail, said trail would ideally not run directly parallel to the noisy highway

[–] Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

That's good parenting, most definitely a good instinct to have.