ZMD: Yeah, that was actually my second question here. I was a little bit disappointed by the article, but the audio commentary was kind of worse. You open the audio commentary with:
"We have arrived at a moment when many in Silicon Valley are saying that artificial intelligence will soon match the powers of the human brain, even though we have no hard evidence that will happen. It's an argument based on faith."
End quote. And just, these people have written hundreds of thousands of words carefully arguing why they think powerful AI is possible and plausibly coming soon.
CM: That's an argument.
ZMD: Right.
CM: It's an argument.
ZMD: Right.
CM: We don't know how to get there.
ZMD: Right.
CM: We do not—we don't know—
ZMD: But do you understand the difference between "uncertain probabilistic argument" and "leap of faith"? Like these are different things.
CM: I didn't say that. People need to understand that we don't know how to get there. There are trend lines that people see. There are arguments that people make. But we don't know how to get there. And people are saying it's going to happen in a year or two, when they don't know how to get there. There's a gap.
ZMD: Yes.
CM: And boiling this down in straightforward language for people, that's my job.
ZMD: Yeah, so I think we agree that we don't know how to get there. There are these arguments, and, you know, you might disagree with those arguments, and that's fine. You might quote relevant experts who disagree, and that's fine. You might think these people are being dishonest or self-deluding, and that's fine. But to call it "an argument based on faith" is different from those three things. What is your response to that?
CM: I've given my response.
ZMD: It doesn't seem like a very ...
CM: We're just saying the same thing.
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