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The electoral college makes it pointless. Trump has a 0% chance to win California, so if you are a Trumper, why bother voting (for president) in California? Same goes for a liberal in Mississippi.
If there was a national popular vote, I think this would be different.
That said, I think everybody should vote no matter what. But saying that somebody who does not vote is indirectly supporting Trump is just ignoring the reality of our election system.
There were 1.95 million voters in MS in 2024. Trump got ~748,000 votes in the state, Kamala got ~466,000. How is it pointless to vote in a state where 700,000 people didn't?
I fucking hate it when people say it's pointless to vote. People thought Georgia would never go blue until it fucking happened in 2020, because people went out and voted.
Stop spreading that disinfo.
Hell, California has 22 million registered voters, and Kamala only got 9 million of those. That state isn't as blue as you might think it is.
I'd have to doublecheck my numbers, but I'm pretty sure the only election where more peole voted for a candidate than didn't vote at all, was 2020. Technically, "nobody" has been the winning vote for at least my entire lifetime.
I would say, in states where your vote seems to matter the least, and it's the hardest to vote, those are the states where it is the most important that you actually do vote, because the shitbag republicans who have cooked up those crooked election maps and fucked around with the voting process, are relying on you to not vote.
First, I don’t think Georgia is a good example cause that was a battleground state. Sure it was historically red, but the polls were close enough to make that state matter. If you live in a battleground state, congrats, your vote matters!
Second, I think you’re giving a very idealistic perspective. If all of those 700k people voted, what percent of them do you honestly believe would go for Harris? 75% of them? Probably not even enough to bring Harris to over the current 748k number.
And to the people that didn’t vote, where voting is not necessarily an easy thing to do, and where they will probably struggle regardless of who wins, they will do that same math and come to the conclusion that voting is more work than it’s worth.
I just think it is wrong to put the blame on them, when the real enemy is the electoral college.
Trump won the pv in 2024....
And if that decided our elections, then I would be 100% in your side. Everybody in every state needs to vote, or they are in support of whomever wins. How many people in Mississippi would have voted if they knew they were going against the nationwide popular vote, and not just the republicans in their state?
Honestly, if that is the only reason that motivates you to vote or not? I'd say approximately 1.214milliom.
Your guess is as good as any! Democratic outreach would be 100% different than it is now. Instead of the random battleground states getting all the attention it would be a national “get out the vote” type campaign. I think it would be a much higher turnout.
Either way, until then, I’d sooner blame the electoral college for Trump than the people in non battleground states that did not vote.