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Of course it did.
If not for the courage and conviction of Vasily Arkhipov, civilization, and potentially humanity, may have ended in 1964. People had kids for 30 years under the very real threat of nuclear extermination. In the end it turned out pretty well.
People had kids during the black plague.
While a climate crisis is more than just a threat, we don't know what's going to happen. We have ideas, and models, and educated guesses... But not knowledge.
I wouldn't tell anyone to have kids if they don't want to. But no one should plan their life around sparing a hypothetical person from the hypothetical struggles of a slow moving crisis we don't fully understand.
How about sparing them from a life of working constantly to have job insecurity, no social safety net, and a bullet for a retirement plan? Birth is cruelty.
I think you may just need to talk to somebody this comment is out of my depth.
We’re all talking now. I don’t find that perspective to be one that equates uniquely to a depressed person. That perspective is relatively prevalent within this thread, but also somewhat prevalent within social circles that I find myself in.
"my life is so miserable that I would rather see the continuation of the species voluntarily end that risk someone else suffers like me" is depression. Maybe it's not suicidal depression, but it probably requires intervention.
Maybe it's just immature edgelord BS, but if not that's a serious problem.
I really think you’re missing the target entirely.
There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?
Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.
Also, I would really like to debate if my way of thinking is problematic. I genuinely would like to know, but it might just be a matter of opinion. Psychiatry seems like a gaslighting industry selling pills sometimes, so who knows.
I am open minded towards the idea that it might be a problem. To me is sounds logical. Assume a 40 hour work week. A quick cost benefit analysis of life reveals numbers that don't check out. Time to sleep + time to get ready for work + eat + commute + work shitty job all day + commute again + eat + any chores or shit that you have to do = about 4 hours a day free. Factor in a 4 hours of errands like getting groceries, various things, and chores = 4 hours per week. So you have to sleep 16 hour over weekend. That leaves approx 48 awake hours of free time a week assuming there are no children or aging parents to care for. Most of which I personally spend exhausted from all the other shit. I think there are 168 hours in a week. 56 of those are sleep. That leaves only 48 hours a week out of the 112 you are awake that you do not spend doing shit you do not want to be doing. 64 hours bullshit, only 48 hours to recharge and fit relaxation into hectic week. Bless you if you live in India or Japan with a 60-80 hour workweek. Thats 84 hours of bullshit with 28 recovery hours, or 104 hours bullshit, with 8 hours a week to recover.
The thing is that was the threat of nuclear extermination. It didn't actually happen. Climate change is not a threat, it is happening, right now and is only going to get progressively worse in the near future.
So far all educated guesses have been overtaken by the speed of events. It is getting worse faster than even the experts had anticipated.
It's getting worse sure. But we have no idea how bad it will get, or what the total effect will be. We have no idea what role technology will play in the future of this crisis, or if recovery would outpace models in the event we decided to take the problem seriously.
Bear in mind that acid rain was a real crisis that was happening in the 80s and the hole in the Ozone was a real crisis that was happening in the 90s. When we made an honest effort to fix those problems... They got fixed.
Also, we can guess at what species will or won't fare well, but not how they'll adapt or what else might thrive in a new environment.
And yeah, it's possible that temps will spike faster than we could ever imagine or deploy solutions and we'll all bake to death in a sprawling global desert if we don't all starve from the sweeping famine. I just have more faith in human ingenuity, and will than that.