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Liar. Obama ran on a public option and no individual mandate. Clinton ran on no public option and an individual mandate.
Centrists are allergic to telling the truth.
Yeah, that was gaslighting after it became clear that the public option was always a bill of goods designed to be jettisoned as quickly as possible.
Yeah, 17 years of lies from Clinton supporters and being blamed every time centrism either fails to win or succeeds in blocking their own campaign promises will do that. I didn't see someone who was mistaken; I saw someone who was trying to pretend that Clinton was even slightly progressive by attributing policy to her that her wing of the party killed.
If her performance in 2016 is any indication, if she had beaten Obama, she would have considered her job done.
You settled nothing. Why should anyone take anyone's word on here for it?
I am under no obligation to prove that the sky is blue to someone who will hear all my patient explanations of Rayleigh scattering and just be like "nope. red."
They had debates. They're still out there. Just pick one. Maybe the ABC one where it was clear that George Stephanopolous was still the Clintons' press secretary.
No one has to care about lazy words lacking substance of corroboration.
Again, you settled nothing besides showing lack of will to settle anything.
Like your idiotic and ridiculous lie that Clinton supported the public option and Obama didn't. You never even attempted to back that up. Yet somehow I have to entertain your deliberate attempts to waste my time by demanding news articles from 16 years ago that you already intend to dismiss without reading.
Who do you think you're replying to? Do you observe commenter names?
I'm just calling out lazy unwillingness around here to link to corroborating sources (easy & common sense for settling an argument) to instead sling words like petty, incompetent bitches. I don't think I'm alone in not recalling the exact nuances of healthcare proposals candidates had in 2008.
Oh, sorry. I thought you were the initial liar, not a toady for the initial liar. You want sources from me but not them. Convenient.