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Comments in this thread are weirdly one sided. I get the airbnb shit, mass tourism, and all that, but to me it's more a symptom of late stage capitalism.
At which point do you stop becoming a tourist yourself? Has nobody ever been to another city or region? Are you not sometimes a tourist in your own city, region, or country? You always stay home and never go anywhere?
As a Montrealer, am I a nasty tourist for going to Québec City? Should I stick to my own city? Am I a bad tourist for going to another province? Is Vancouver too far or too rich? Is Toronto too far too? Would I be a bad tourist for going to visit and spend a night in Toronto, coming from Montreal? Am I a nasty tourist for going camping in Ontario? Should I stick only to local campings?
Is it only bad when we go to what... 10 km away from our home? 100? 1000? Where is the line? When we need hosting?
I don't really understand the logic of "fuck tourists", unless they just want everyone to stay home and never go anywhere.
Personally, even when I am a tourist, I hate tourist shit. Almost always overpriced, overcrowded, often polished turd quality at premium prices. Go from store to store and it's the same mass produced shit with branding themed for whatever local attractions that place has. Staffed with kids who don't really give a fuck because they are the cheapest available (not that I blame the kids for not giving a fuck, I know I wouldn't in their place).
My last vacation was to visit a friend and that was nice. Instead of doing any touristy shit, we mostly hung out at his place and checked out places he liked to go to, which was a way better experience IMO than something curated by people whose main focus is getting as much money as possible from you.
People are pissed that they can't afford rent, where housing is inflated by massive profits of short-term renting. You see more tourists than before, you just want them gone that's all
More than the inevitable rent-pricing, a lot of people just misbehave, tourists or not. Like most tourists are of course fine, but when you deal with the millions there must be some bad guy in there. I bet most of us don't even notice tourists unless they're of the loud variety.
But the same asshole still owns all the houses when the tourists leave. Just because they are gone doesn't mean the locals will get anything.
It's just that the same people can afford to own all those houses because they get them rented out to tourists who pay an exuberant amount of money to stay somewhere for a week or two.
If there would be less tourists, the houses should be rented out, because an unused house is money lost. And if locals can't afford them , and tourists don't use them, the only option is to lower the prices.
And there is a lot of large landowners that would start losing a lot of money fast if they wouldn't manage to rent out their houses. Makes me think of a bubble of sorts.
It's almost as if the meme presents an oversimplified view, and you've run with that oversimplification.
that only happens on reddit
I think there is certainly an element to travel tourism that has soured a lot of people, but also the world has become a very cynical place to live in. Mass tourism machines like cruise ships have several layers of issues to them, but they are also the economic centers of many marine locations that wouldn't be what they are without them, but that's also sort of the problem with them.
Add into it the cheap air fares, etc... and it opened up the world to the average Joe, who has not the best manners or realistic expectations all the time.
Then, add in the fact there are too damn many of us on this planet that anywhere remotely interesting to visit is packed from dawn to dusk and it gets annoying having to wait for things all the time, especially at home for the 3 months or so people want to see your little stretch of the world.
I get it. I don't agree with it all but I get it. I work in tourism to a degree. We are spread too far, everywhere you go there is more of us.
Very bad example for your point. The port towns visited profit very little from the cruise ships. People sleep, eat and shop on their ship, the local economy sees almost no benefit but the streets are clogged by their day trips.
I'm talking about how bad things like cruise ships are and you are saying I am wrong and then backing me up? Small ports rely heavily on cruise ship visits, large ports fucking hate them. Alaska is basically oil and gas and cruise ships that keep it floating.
That's a bit of an exaggeration, I've been having the time of my life here in vietnam, just ask the locals for some ideas and check Google maps for traffic to avoid the one everyone is already going to, and you'll have a beach, mountain, beautiful twisty roads along rivers and mountains, local swimming hole, etc to yourself and like 3 or 4 locals who you have to flee before they invite you to lunch, introduce the whole family, then dinner, then to sleep at their place, marry their daughter, etc.
Its not an issue of too many people, just everyone goes to the same exact place because some influencer recommended it.
Should only rich people should be able to travel? People with more money also have more manners?
Just dropping this here: Debunking ‘overpopulation’
There is a football stadium near my home. Those fans should all stay home. I bet some don't even come from my city. They make public transit busy when there are games! Why do we have to share this world with others?!
EDIT: I don't want to seem like I entirely disagree but again, capitalism and mass tourism. Social media is also to blame. Societal hype. But if you think you have to wait everywhere that's "worth" visiting, maybe you can try to spread out. We don't all have to go visit the Eiffel tower or the same national park in Croatia.
I don't don't think it should be just for rich people, but when i was a kid it was rare to travel far abroad, and with it came a sort of feeling of responsibility to represent your place of origin well through good behavior, and be respectful to the place you are visiting, even as a kid i understood that without being told.
That aspect is definitely gone in the era of mass tourism. Every place can be reached quickly and for cheap, it sort of devalues the experience of travelling.
This is all I was alluding too. Change in access is not inherently a bad thing, but it has cheapened the experience over all and expectations have changed along with it. Add in today's culture of Now Now Now and things are getting tense out there.
It's not distance it's behaviour.
You can be from the other side of the planet and as long as your respectful doesn't really matter. But there is certain types of people, typically those who come in large coaches with lots of other people, that can tend to be rather obnoxious and shove their way to the front, so they can take the same picture that everyone takes in front of whatever local monument you wish to substitute.
Often they seem to be Chinese.
Weirdly, chinese tourists in China are completely different from chinese tourists outside of China, and the effect increases the further you go.
I suspect the ones with money to travel further and to wealthier countries are the kids of new money petty bourgeois who are used to not giving a shit about social consequences.
I think you'll find a lot of your answers here.