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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Expanding on what I said to another user. The problem with simply removing downvotes is that people still find low-hanging fruits to voice disagreement through, often worse than the downvotes. Then there are two choices:

  • let them be. Hexbear does this, and its users use emotes instead, that increase the visibility of bad content.
  • moderate against it. Beehaw does this, and it burdens its moderation team further.

Note mod burden is the major reason Beehaw is not federated with LW or SJW, even if its admins would be otherwise OK with those two.

It's things like this that make me think we (people discontent with downvotes) are a bit too eager to throw the resource away because of its flaws, instead of trying to address them.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think you're wrong about the tradeoffs, I just think the tradeoff is worth it.

What if all votes were hidden? You could still press the buttons and it would affect the sorting, but nobody sees the number.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perhaps it's my personal bias, but I don't like the idea of hidden information. If you can't see it, it's easier to manipulate.

What if it was the opposite - all votes were shown, including who up/downvoted? From what I've noticed, people think twice before mindless downvoting if they know they can be called out for it.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Votes are public as far as the API is concerned and there are tools to show you who voted in what way.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm aware of lemvotes.org. However, I think this should be part of the default interface, for everyone.

In Lemmy currently this feature is exclusive to comms you moderate:

Sadly I don't expect anything similar for PieFed. I really like plenty of its features, but when it comes to vote visibility it's going the opposite direction - making them unavailable by the API instead.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

making them unavailable by the API instead.

Votes are available via the API. There is a setting to limit it to your local instance. By default, they federate.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a rather recent change, isn't it? From what I remember the votes were cast by alternate profiles, so even if you tried to grab them from the API you wouldn't know who voted on what.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's been around for a while, I don't remember the dates

Basically, this is what it looks like

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Ah, OK. Thanks for the correction + further info!