Grassroots organization will save us.
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i can't believe after the dissolution of checks and balances and the ongoing kidnapping of hispanic people nationwide we're still having this conversation.
obviously newsom is actively awful. but calling it "both candidates want to fuck the world" is so narrow-minded knowing everything that is happening to america every day right now.
it's frustrating to be an american and be given two choices who both suck. one choice sucks so much more. not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.
I don't think "sucks so much more" is all that accurate though. Both candidates do want to fuck the world.
Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were Drone-Striking kids? Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were mass-deporting people? Where were the Checks and balances for torture programs, killing americans, giving our tax money to their rich friends, building out surveillance programs, backing a genocide, etc?
Yes, one side is worse, but the supposed "opposition" is doing everything they can to get as close to the worse side as they can.
There are no small wins anymore. Harm reduction is important, but it's also important to understand what is happening right now. That's all I'm saying. The Democrats will not be your salvation, they will be your slow demise. The Republicans will be your quick demise. People need to take to the streets, not the ballots. If you can't see that, then you're still living in the past. Listen to yourself: "compete dissolution of checks and balances" but you still think we can reform it all better?
C'mon, you don't seem to be that out of the loop. Surely you get it by now? I don't think you deserve to have a master
Go to the ballots and vote for who you want. Will it be sufficient, dunno, but it is absolutely needed to put in at least that effort.
Historically non-democratic means of overthrowing a previously democratic systems do not end well...
I'm not sure you understand my position. I'm against the Democrats and the Republicans. I don't think voting will be our solution. I'm pretty sure that I never said we can reform it, and I think we're gonna have to tear it all down and start over.
Their comment reads like they responded to the wrong person.
Responded to the wrong person. Sorry about that
i hope your clean hands can bring home all of the people ICE disappeared
You mean the organization that Obama and Biden supported, and used to disappear people?
Yet playing along seems to have led to fascism. Voting clearly is not enough, we have to take action outside of the system. Our fucked up electoral system could not be relied upon before and it definitely can't now with a fascist in office doing everything he can to rig it in his favor. We need more people to become disillusioned with our electoral system because it is dead now, and believing in the fantasy that we can vote our way out of fascism isn't going to do anyone any favors.
what's the outcome of mass disillusionment? are the Cool Socialists ready to replace the electoral system? because to me it seems way more likely that the Worse Fascists will benefit the most from mass disillusionment.
I also support harm reduction and I practice it at the ballot box, I just don't think there is anything to gain by hammering people over the heads trying to sell them on harm reduction. It's completely ineffective at inspiring people to the kind of mass coordinated action that is required.
Disillusionment is effective at inspiring action, provided you can get people past the apathy stage. The fact is people are being disillusioned - for good reason - and fighting it is counterproductive. So long as you're focused on trying to pull people back to the center for the sake of harm reduction, you're ceding the populist narrative to the fascists.
Absolutely not, which is why more people need to organize, and before they will be willing to organize they have to become disillusioned with the system.
They will if we don't meet people where they're at like they're doing.