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Grassroots organization will save us.
Absolutely vote for whatever your personal issue is in the primary. Make your voice heard and let the candidates know about it.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Unless he’s Zohran, then we clutch pearls and support the corrupt creepy predator guy.
I've heard this brought up a lot. First of all, fuck Cuomo. Any rational person should be supporting Zohran over any of the other candidates.
But also, is there an actual worry about the ticket getting split or non-votes and allowing the Republican to win? That's essentially what "vote Blue" is about.
Also, progressives have one candidate that is obviously better than the alternative, even if they don't like both. Moderates aren't necessarily convinced. It's just a different argument.
Although, if they are and they still just don't like them, I'm 100% telling them to get off their ass and vote to stop the nazis.
is there an actual worry about the ticket getting split or non-votes and allowing the Republican to win
Nope. The Republican candidate is perennial loser and insanely racist vigilante Curtis Sliwa. Nobody thinks he has a chance, including himself. He's purely in it for the PR and donations.
That's essentially what "vote Blue" is about.
Nope. That's their excuse to force "electable" (read: right wing and corrupt) candidates on voters who would much rather have someone who'll faithfully represent their wants and needs but scared of getting someone even worse.
Adams the fascist cop (but I repeat myself) won his primaries by a fraction of a percentage (after a full court press propaganda campaign on his behalf by both major parties and all NYC-based MSM) and they were immediately falling over each other to declare him "the future of the party"
Mamdani beats the establishment favorite in a surprise landslide and they're all pretending that he's a communist terrorist that somehow snuck in against the will of everyone.
Sure, but Gavin Newsom might very well also be a Nazi. If you're from California, then you're probably aware that he's not exactly defending the the sanctuary state that he's been charged to lead. He's also kind of giving mayors carte blanche (and State-level support) to "clean up" homeless encampments, and he's publicly stated that he doesn't believe that "trans athletes should be allowed to compete against girls" in and interview with Charlie Kirk, and then recently doubled down on that.
So what do you do when both Candidates want to fuck the world?
Obviously the fascist party is accelerating things quickly, but the Democrats aren't doing anything to slow it down. Just as in every single case of a fascist takeover ever, the liberals enable the fascists. They keep trying to shift to the right to "capture voters" which literally has never worked, but they keep trying. Why?
And because there are way more fascist friendly neoliberals than there are progressives it will never be someone you actually want to vote for.
This has been the pattern for my entire life and expecting this stupid country full of idiots to change is a recipe for disappointment.
Your heuristic is easy to beat. A Nazi just needs to run as a Democrat, hide their true feelings until the general election, and they can trick you into voting for them every time.
You must be working for Fetterman
Nah, we need to let the DNC know that conservatives are unelectable in the general so they don't ratfuck they way through the primary again. Saying it now, I will not vote for republican-lite
And why is this even a conversation now? There is literally no reason for anyone to care about the 2028 election. I mean hell, in all likelihood you won't even get to have real elections in 2028 at this rate, so now in 2025 go do something about it.
I'll even donate to change their mind,
That... makes no sense.
Giving politicians money to change their mind is straight up how Dems operate. They're barely even shy about it.
Yeah but you need a lot of zeros and commas on that check for them to give a damn
Less than you'd think, but hey - they didn't say how much they were gonna spend.
Yeah. Newsom trolling Trump is funny as hell. He is still a piece of shit, though.
I'm laughing. But I haven't forgotten hes a transphobe
Guys...he might hate trans and homeless people, but check out those dank memes his staffer is posting.
He has faught against ranked choice voting everytime he has had the chance.
There are lots of reasons to dislike Newsom. His office's mockery of Trump isn't one of them. It's possible to cheer him for that and dump on him for the other things.
Yeah, praising someone's action is not an endorsement of their whole person. I asked this to someone who claimed the stunt wasn't funny because Newsom sucks:
Would you not laugh if RFK Jr punched Trump in the face?
But nuance is dead, only 100% good or 100% bad and if they do a single bad thing ever then that's 100% bad forever for them
This is the answer, Gavin Newsom sees a role to play and is cynically doing it, he is a risky distraction that gives me "I will absolutely throw you under the bus for power" vibes exactly like mayo Pete.
Here we go again. I guess this is just classic neoliberal psy-op at this point, trying to guilt people into voting against their own best interest just one more time bro.
Yes, it’s good Newsom is doing anything at all to fight back against Trump’s fascist takeover. No, he will not represent you if he gets elected, he will represent his corporate donors.
Corporations are already crushing us and taking us for all we have left. Don’t help their cause, find someone to support who isn’t beholden to monied interests instead.
Yes go after the dems for being complicit with thr Trump regime and also being shitty people themsevles who are intentionallh suroessing the left wing candidates.
But im also enjoying the petty trolling of Trump and dont mind giving Newsom a little bit of approval for it.
Not once have I ever had anyone giving me shit about bringing up Newsom’s transphobia respond to the fact that LGBTQ political leaders and rights organizations within California, some of which have been fighting for LGBTQ rights for decades, immediately condemned his statements. Those people and organizations are all just too stupid and idealistic to understand how politics works, I guess. 🙄
You’d think a ‘liberal/leftist’ screaming at a trans person to shut the fuck up about transphobia would cause some cognitive dissonance, but nope, not even a little.
It would be great if they spent even 1/10th the energy putting pressure on Newsom to stop being a fucking transphobe.
Sidenote: Does anyone else feel like people are coping hard trying to pretend the country and system is as normal as ever? Like keeping their heads in their work or schooling. Or something else they can dive into. Instead of facing the broken-ness? Or is that just me?
Head in the sand. They've had it there since the election. If they just weather the next 3 and a half years, everyone will join together and just vote to fix it and our benovalent left will step in to selflessly serve us, unwind all this mess and make sure it can never happen again.
They don't realize that this will be the point in history they look back at hundreds of years from now and try to figure out what happened. UK is going nuts, EU is going nuts. Privacy is under attack, speech is under attack. We're all sliding into China's model of control, but we're not even getting the socialist advantages.
If Newsone wants your vote he has 2 years to come up with better policies. Lol but he's not going to do that. If he wanted your vote he'd rep your positions but he wants to rep other interests.
If you don't want it to be Newsom, you have 2 years to organize and make it someone else.
Putting the onus on me to find someone is all well and good, but are you really OK with settling for Newsom?
Why don't we look together for someone more palatable?
Wait, wouldn't it just be way easier to spend that entire time insufferably bitching about everything and criticizing everyone's faults and then just voting for him in the end anyway?
if Burnie succeeded in anything, it's getting the party to at least pretend to be leftist on paper occasionally. accepting the top candidate before the primary is a mistake. make them earn your vote.
Dems suffer greatly in finding the greatest shitbags possible who aren't officially republican.
Hillary Clinton was up 17 points two years out, there's plenty of time to fuck this up
2 years is plenty of time for democrats to get the message ‘i will not vote for anything but a progressive proven to run on progressive policies.’