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My point was more that if an instance defederates lemmy.ml, the instance doesn't lose much, there are alternatives to all the .ml communities (and that does indeed follow the fediverse structure).
But again, most instances aren't defederated from Lemmy.ml. Seems like you just really want people to defed.
I don't, I'm just saying that people are blocking .ml
https://piefed.social/comment/7712510
https://piefed.social/comment/7601405
https://lemmy.world/comment/18190083
https://piefed.social/comment/6931899
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/19223080
https://lemm.ee/comment/21076067
https://lemmy.world/comment/17560631
https://midwest.social/comment/17924609
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18859301
I can go on for a long time, but you get the idea.
Actually I remember us having a similar conversation 10 months ago: https://sopuli.xyz/post/18211534/12491063
I'm aware that some people block Lemmy.ml, just like some people block Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, etc. It seems like you are more ideologically motivated to push an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda is what I am saying.
I am listening to the feedback of the community.
Feel free to share a similar number of comments where people say they block Lemmy.zip (I don't care about SJW or LW)
I didn't say Lemmy.zip, because I wasn't talking about Lemmy.zip. I specifically mentioned Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works as those are 2 of the more right-wing instances, and you featured examples from them specifically, alongside piefed which has similar issues due to the devs baking in their ideology into instance defaults.
Again, it seems like you're just ideologically motivated to push an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda without outright saying it.
That has been debunked several times, not sure why you are pushing an anti-Piefed agenda
You are in the first thread, I'm surprised I even have to point it out to you
Additional comment from the Piefed dev
It wasn't debunked, I literally stated it's an instance default to block leftist instances like Hexbear, equating them to spam and CSAM even. I never said you can't change it if you made a Piefed instance, I said it was an instance default.
Yes, I do oppose people that make it a default to block leftist instances and place them alongside spam and CSAM. If someone didn't know what those instances were, they'd be likely to keep them blocked. It's directly putting the Piefed dev's anti-leftism into the code.
I fully admit to being opposed to people opposing leftists, I'm just not quite sure why you seem to be so cagey about having an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda. You can just say you do, or explain why you don't actually, and I'm just misunderstanding you. Keeping it this cagey just makes you seem extremely suspicious and dishonest.
I'm literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml
Not sure why you keep telling I'm anti Lemmy.ml when I explicitly recommend instances that federate with it.
Example of two Piefed instances that currently federate hexbear:
List of Piefed instances that currently defederate hexbear:
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
As you can see, instances defederating hexbear are instances managed by teams which were going to do so anyway, as they already did on Lemmy. Pretending an instance admin isn't going to review the blocklist after setting up the instance is 'extremely suspicious and dishonest'
This entire comment chain has been you pushing that many people on Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and Piefed block Lemmy.ml Every time someone makes a post about "Lemmy.ml drama," you're in the comments trying to push usually Lemmy.zip or some other instance. It isn't difficult to tell that there's personal motivation behind this.
Secondly, I know that the current instance block list is roughly the same across Piefed "versions" of Lemmy instances. That doesn't change that the devs put Hexbear and Lemmygrad alongside CSAM and spam instances. The dev of Piefed even said the blocklist is long, if someone isn't familiar with the fediverse and wants to spin up a new Piefed instance, chances are higher that they will rely on the defaults.
Again, it's clear that you and I are both ideologically motivated, why is it difficult for you to state it openly? I'm not the first user to feel put off by your behavior on this matter, and I'm not going to be the last either.
Well, you started saying a lot of people don't block Lemmy.ml, which isn't correct based on what we can see.
You didn't answer my previous point: I'm literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml
Not sure why you keep telling I'm anti Lemmy.ml when I explicitly recommend instances that federate with it.
You used mostly Piefed.social, Lemmy.world, and sh.itjust.works comments to make the claim that "many people block Lemmy.ml," ie you required them to make your argument. Recommending .zip isn't the point. Further, you grabbed a handful of comments, that's hardly a comprehensive study on the rate of blocking Lemmy.ml. It's shaky evidence at best.
Secondly, as I stated, the reasons you are anti-Lemmy.ml are three-fold:
You always appear in Lemmy.ml drama threads pushing alternatives
You try to build a case that Lemmy.ml is widely blocked with little evidence
You defend putting Hexbear and Lemmygrad as default blocks that instance admins have to manually unblock, same as CSAM and spam
Again, why not just admit that you have personal reasons to want to do this? It's clear. I'm not going to reply anymore, this is a waste of both of our time.
Maybe the third time will be the charm, you didn’t answer my previous point: I’m literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml
Such an anti-lemmy.ml stance, pushing for an instance that federates with lemmy.ml