Grassroots organization will save us.
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If you don't want it to be Newsom, you have 2 years to organize and make it someone else.
Wait, wouldn't it just be way easier to spend that entire time insufferably bitching about everything and criticizing everyone's faults and then just voting for him in the end anyway?
don't you mean, not voting at all?
Isn’t it likely in your opinion that if it isn’t for whoever you decide is best it’s the same thing?
No
That’s good. The Dems won’t be getting any more of my votes
Yeah the difference is the people who vote for Trump will kill me with their vote out of stupidity, and/or maliciousness. Those who do not vote will kill me simply to feel superior to those who vote.
They are privileged to not need a sense of urgency or get respite. Its easy to keep your sense of purity and wait around when your not under siege.
Yup, the "none of this will get worse FOR ME" crowd who dismiss the idea that everything else will be worse, likely even the situations they "care" about, but they aren't actually affected by. No sense of harm reduction when the harm isn't upon you, yet.
It’s nice y’all have each other! One good tug deserves another…
it's nice that other people's voting habits aren't going to literally kill you. Have fun on that high horse, I am sure slowly, and painfully, dying, was worth your sense of superiority. Though, I doubt you believe this is a fatal turn of events for me. Privilege blinds people.
You keep repeating the same bullshit. Go have another tug ya tosser.
I just like telling people what their decisions do to others, so I will do it as much as I see fit. I also see that you keep interacting, funny for someone who doesn't want to hear what I have to say. The reality is if anyone stops this new bill from killing me, it will be democrats, and then I will literally have had my life saved by that party, while the no vote protest just calls me, and everyone in my position, things like tosser, and disregards our lives, and loses support. 14 million people will die in the next 6 years because of the bill decisions like your brought about.
No raindrop wants to be blamed for the flood, but they are all equally guilty.
Your hypothetical isn’t the reality. Laws aren’t real. A bill is words. Capitalism enslaves us all with no regard for your heath and safety. Everything you seem to be saying is to defend the system killing you and relying on it to stop working as intended. This isn’t news to me. And you don’t know about any of my decisions but if you can count on me voting my conscience from here on out and if you need my vote to survive your candidate should align with that. That’s on you. I’ll die with you for my beliefs the time for compromise has passed. Best of luck, Citizen.✊🏿🏴
Look around, the majority of people don't vote, and haven't historically. Capitalism thrives on civil inactivity, and it is getting worse. So what you do is provably not efficacious, if it were the fact that most people do not vote would have weakened the capitalist state, it proves to do the opposite. It also just helps to cement the two party dictatorship.
Something that is frustrating is that chem is right about their complaints, but then don't want to do much for it. I get the tought my way or the highway, but the incumbents are happy to take the highway on our leftists position.
Like I'm empathic to a lot of the discourse here. At one point I felt against UBI because it felt like a bribe to not address inequality and such. But then I though about it, and it still helps those who are most vulnerable to joblessness and automation be less desperate and exploitably. So I can't say no to it.
Yeah, I don't think capitalism is sustainable, and the we need to more away from it for a lot of reasons. These kinds of actions though, they prove ineffective, and at worst they actively push people away. Which is my point with the fact that if anyone stops this bill from cutting 14 million people from they need to live, it will be the democrats, and anyone who sees these sentiments, and then has the democrats come in for them, in a life saving situation, will likely be pushed more towards being liberals. They will take away from this type of interaction that leftists are the coddled, privileged, kids they were told to expect, and move away from it.
The more you learn about it and how it has historically played out, yes. And a big part of why I am a lefty.
On a somewhat historical approach revolutionaries are oppressed and kept down, and that does mean that those in power have implicitly give up all bargaining power by refusing dialog. I feel that in a sense we have done similar to ourselves electorally. We won't participate and organize there, so no one will ever take us seriously and our issues are never heard. Voting lesser evil is not a long term solution, but it is lower effort than organizing a new third party. Even still it is less effort than picking up a rifle and holding down a trench. I get that in the discourse it feels like the fastest way (unfounded assumption that war is ever fast)and that sentiments for a total revolution is always around the corner. Given that we won't have any third party organization now I don't see how it will form and put our ideas out in more chaos. Presumably the most informed on the subject matters and theory are also the most bought in and going to be leaders, who cannot be bothered to commit an evening to the lowest effort civic engagement.
I think we have some good leaders in AOC and Mamdami to start some foundations, but I fear apathy might mean no shows and they genuinely lose their seats or have to make even more compromises than they otherwise have to.
agreed. It is about mitigating how much damage is done before change, of whatever form, can be affected. Mamdani's popularity, even if it is NYC, thus more fertile ground for progressives, is a good sign. The way all of the establishment reacted to him killing that primary tells me this is a guy I want to back. So I have. I am also active with several activist, and specifically leftist, groups. We have moved the little, dying, shit hole city, I currently live in, more progressive. We have restructured, what used to be, the worst projects in the state to a place, which is still all section 8, into a nice place, where people get town houses, and the same space has more resident capacity, and have yards, and have freedom to like repaint, redo the garden, etc. Things to make it feel like their home, not a human filing cabinet. This worked, super well. The crime in my neighborhood has plunged since then. We have also accomplished free public transportation, though it is pretty limited compared to more developed countries. We are working on ending the status of food desert for my neighborhood, and the surrounding ones, too.
There is more, primarily getting changes to the DA, a judge, and city council, and other local politicians, but I think you get the idea. The shift in crime from the project reform basically assured our current mayor was going to get re-elected, and even though I have some big differences in ideas than he does, he is very progressive, you know, for a US politician. If this wasn't a dying place we probably would have gotten further than we have thus far.
Putting the onus on me to find someone is all well and good, but are you really OK with settling for Newsom?
Why don't we look together for someone more palatable?
And we should. I often talk about this on Lemmy. But many of my fellow lemms and lefties here would rather just skip out on the work it takes yo build a movement. Then they wonder why they aren't seriously represented.
Owning my shit…what I’m working on involves burning this fraudulent system, reeducation, and ditching private property and capitalism. Your next blue fool will never be a step towards that. This neoliberal fauxmockracy is most of the problem, not the popular fools they put on ballots.
Its rather privileged of you to not see why harm minimization is important. In many casese that is all that will be possible.
Like I said in my comments, building a movement takes time and even agreed with you that we should work together, yet you hit me with this dismissive reply. I'm already trying to work with you and you're shutting down before starting. Do you wonder why you don't have any coalition after decades?
I live on and off the streets and have my entire life. I love that privilege. It’s awfully privileged of you to make assumptions about myself and my day to day conditions. Could we perhaps stick to the issues? I want actual material conditions to improve. Point me to a blue fool who’s worked towards that in my lifetime (c. 1970). Gavin ‘criminalize homelessness’ Newsom? Yeah, I’ll work on my own ‘harm minimization’ thank you. The system is working as designed but you keep working on reforming the blue chews! I don’t expect to form any coalitions with them because I’m not trying. In my opinion ‘the left’ starts at a rejection of capitalism which is antithetical to these corporate owned neolib figureheads. But I’m just an old poor with no safety net, what do I know?
The material conditions are that the revolution isn't happening simultaneously. Even as our progressive movement grows not everyone will have one to vote for. A blue fool is still a lot better than a red one.
Well I rest my case, but remember that next time no one wants to work with you on any given topic and your wondering why no one has a platform you like (even in part)
I DO NOT THINK WORKING WITH BLUE MAGA-LITE IS A SOLUTION WORTH PURSUING. I KNOW WHY I THINK THAT. I’M NEVER GOING TO BE SETTING AROUND WONDERING. The Revolution has been in the works since 1776, it’s beginning to culminate. Either vote or revolt, I never thought ’d see any progress in my lifetime so things are looking awesome in regards to that. Sorry y’all fucked everything up so much. Vote harder.
Right back at you self righteous punk, stop preaching and get to work