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[–] callouscomic@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

This is one of many reasons I don't buy textbook economics of capitalism.

For example, if they'd just put lots of pockets in women's clothing decades ago as standard, they'd have sold SOOOO much.

This idea that capitalism and the free hand of the market will gravitate towards bulk of demand is bullshit.

[–] sturger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Capitalism’s goal is profits. Not helping the customer, selling more, or anything else. We’re in late-stage capitalism, so it is ‘Profits Uber Alles’.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

I use to work retail selling (mostly) women clothes. At one point we had the same model of sundress with and without pockets. Every one of them that was watching or trying the one without got like super hyped and excited when we told them we had it with pockets. The pocketless one still sold better. And it wasn't even a tight fitting dress, it was slack and baggy.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I read a thing (not sure if it's true) that the reason there's no pockets in women's clothing is that women have more diverse body shapes than men. Pockets are designed not to interrupt the lines of the garment where possible - it's more straightforward to place men's pockets because they're going to be in a more predictable place when worn Vs women where it ends up making the clothes fit poorly.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

where it ends up making the clothes fit poorly

a.k.a makes the clothes fit anything but skin-tight because the pockets need space so the clothes have to be wider-cut

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

That seems like an oversimplification, outside looking in for me, but there's no way a single dimension could ever adequately describe an item of clothing - my sister and wife have similar sized waists, but something tight round the posterior on my wife would be baggy on my sister.

Random memory unlocked: Back in high school, I had to borrow my girlfriend's jeans for some reason I don't remember. (We happened to wear the same size.) I do remember having SO MUCH room in the pockets, because I had narrower hips.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that this is one instance that validates the textbook approach. In addition to the comment here, I had read several on the red site several years ago, one I remember from a buyer for a chain of outdoor gear stores, and another from the owner of a boutique clothing store. Both said that they tried to get women's clothing with real pockets, but eventually gave up because it just doesn't sell.

This topic came up in a group of my sailor friends on a boat last week, and ironically, all of the women's garments had good pockets, so they couldn't provide an example. But then, they were all wearing utilitarian clothing, rather than stylish. One friend had just bought new pants from REI; I've noticed for decades that if you want real pockets, shop at REI.

For what it's worth, stylish, form-fitting men's clothing also has tiny, or no pockets.