Starting with this post:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/44999037
Continues here:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/45035437
More posts discussing the fallout:
Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is 'overblown and misrepresented'
Dbzer0 admin casually defending Uyghur genocide denial because "libs worse", yikes
Banned from meanwhileongrad for "No db0 allowed".
Removed false allegations against goat from a post on db0
Another anarchist ~~tankie~~ did a write-up of the situation
More links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886
For me, it's kind of the opposite.
@fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com explanation
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21109507
From @unruffled@anarchist.nexus
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559
On the other hand single mod on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327
And the amount of posts on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works by that same single mod is concerning. How many of those do they need make, reusing the same screenshot ad nauseam when Unruffled recognized that China's actions towards the Uyghur meet the definition of a genocide (see comment above)?
This is really confusing to me now...
It's because Goat and PugJesus are continually talking out of their arses about our instance, and completely misrepresenting or just straight up lying about what we say. PugJesus even somehow managed to arrive at the conclusion I am a "genocide denier" after I posted the comment below and banned my account from all his communities. He's been malding for weeks over his 1 week temp ban on db0. He'll never be over it, apparently. And despite us peacably coexisting with him for years, suddenly we're all "tankies" just because we called out his toxic bullying towards one of our users. Those two have been flaming all over lemmy about our instance for weeks now. PugJesus even set up not one, but two, personal grudge communities to whine about being moderated, in addition to dozens and dozens of invective-filled bad-faith posts. It's funny how none of them had a problem with dbzer0 until PJ had a meltdown, right?
Apparently the above statement wasn't clear enough, so I'll reiterate. Yes, China imo has been committing a cultural/religious genocide against the Uyghur's, as they have done with Tibet and will likely do to Taiwan at some point. That sucks. And yes, all genocide is bad. But as the libs love to say when they are talking about the Republicans, you gotta consider which is the worse ~~party~~genocide and where to focus your efforts.
The Chinese aren't dropping grenades from drones onto groups of innocent Uyghur civilians, shooting teenage boys in their genitals, or bombing their hospitals. It's more like an authoritarian version of cultural assimilation. And no PugJesus, that doesn't mean I'm denying or even minimizing what's happening there. But to say the nature of the two genocides is the same just because they share the same label is a brain-dead take. It's like saying the Falklands War was the same as WWII. I mean, in one sense that's true, because they were both wars, but in a very obvious sense the scale and level of harm was much higher in one compared to the other.
That's the point I was making about Gaza. Yet repeatedly, whenever the Democratic party's material support for the genocide in Gaza is brought up, all the turbolibs can say is "what about the Uyghurs?" as though that's some sort of gotcha. But on this particular topic, the Democrats are not the lesser evil. Biden had every opportunity to stop this genocide and chose not to.
And see the following link for evidence of more recent Democrat complicity in Israel's genocide https://anarchist.nexus/post/538. The Dems will never stop supplying arms to Israel unless all the existing party leadership is kicked out.
The 'bullying' that consisted of downvoting comments I disagreed with? As admitted even by the 'bullied'?
I didn't call you a tankie until you started denying Uyghur genocide and denying sexual assault, fascist. Which was long after the ban - which I regarded as petty and annoying, but not indicative of any deeper fascist leaning.
Oh cool, it's much better to do it with police instead of drones, and beating teenage boys to death in interrogation instead of shooting them. Whew! Close one!
"It's just like an authoritarian version of cultural assimilation. I'm not minimizing the Uyghur genocide!"
You really have no self-awareness, huh.
Curious considering that you made those comments in a thread where you were the one who brought up Gaza, unprompted. But I'm sure calling it the Uyghur "Genocide" and saying it was overblown was just you reacting really strongly to nonexistent Gaza comparisons in the thread!
Fucking astounding projection for your fascist whataboutism.
Fascists according to pugjesus: Anyone who doesn't ban whoever he wants, and anyone who disagrees with him about liberal democracy. Basically anyone to his left.
Not fascist according to pugjesus: People hanging out in fascist forums, and voters for genocide.
The reason I've been calling people fascists is quite explicitly for playing apologist for genocide.
But since you're an ardent genocide apologist these days, I understand that upsets you.
Never have been, never will be. Won't find me saying anything like that, but that doesn't stop you from twisting every fact trying apparently :D
Said the actual voter for more genocide. Man, most of the politicians you support explicitly deny the most brutal genocide in the world right now. Maybe you should spend some of this outrage doing something about that instead of raging on an internet forum.
So tell me, what's a policy of removing genocide denial, combined with leaving up denial of Uyghur Genocide and Holodomor denial?
I voted for Trump? That's news to me.
Sorry that you thought sitting by and letting the fascists win was the moral position. It's consistent though, considering your position that the literal Nazis in 1933 deserved to win because SPD Bad(tm).
Oh yes, how dare I spend time on an internet forum that you're trying to spread genocide denialism in. You're absolutely right, I shouldn't spend any time on here, it's deeply inconvenient for your attempts to normalize Uyghur genocide denial and fucking Holodomor denial. Clearly opposing genocide online means I don't participate in political action anywhere else. I mean, if I did, that might make you feel bad about being a fascist bootlicker.
I give it a year before you start simping for Ukranian genocide, just like all the tankies giving you asspats for being their good little bootlicker.
Nah man, I've already spent my quota of arguing with genocide supporters and liars for the day.
Arguing with yourself again?
Maybe you can argue yourself out of supporting Holodomor denialism.
Once again, I have never done that, unlike you, who voted for the "more genocide" party. Unfortunately, only one of us has actions that directly support genocide ;)
Sorry that you forgot about the Holodomor denialism you've been leaving up in your comms? I understand your memory isn't so great, considering that you can't remember what you've said two days ago. I guess expecting you to remember Holodomor denialism a week ago is too much for you to handle.
You literally welcomed in the "More Genocide" candidate. Sorry that your guilty conscious torments you.
Oh, what am I saying? A Holodomor denier and Uyghur Genocide denier would never have a silly thing like a conscience.
OK, now that we've cleared that I have not actually done genocide denial, nor have I directly supported genocide with my actions (unlike you, voting for more genocide) we can finally close down this discussion. You can have the final lie.
"I'm just letting a little misinformation spread around contrary to the rules I otherwise rigorously enforce ^.^"
Fits right in with your opinion that "Letting Hitler win was Good, Actually, because the SPD was Bad Team" and "Trump's victory, which will directly lead to billions more in aid for Israel, is actually a stunning show of how much solidarity I have with the Palestinians murdered with that extra military aid!"
If people are fascists for "letting a little misinformation spread", man, you are the most fascist of all, given the amount of misinformation about the worst genocide right now you vote for (and let's not forget you also vote for more direct genocide as well)
I support a course of action against the SPD that would have altered the course of German history. You support a course of history for the SPD which directly led to the rise of Hitler. Somehow you twist these around in that brain of yours. Amazing.
It's a very useful view in that twisted mind of yours. Even when you know that doing what you're doing will lead to the worst Fascism in history, you will keep doing it, and blame everyone else for not succeeding in that doomed approach.
I don't leave Zionist misinformation to spread uncontested. You, on the other hand, let Holodomor misinformation spread uncontested, despite it being reported and having a standing policy of removing genocide denialism.
Either you don't give a fuck about removing genocide denialism, or you don't think the Holodomor was a genocide. The implications are pretty clear.
Yes, of course, if only the Spartacist Uprising had destroyed the SPD, then it could have... [checks notes] been destroyed by the Freikorps immediately afterwards, leading to a fascist government over a decade earlier.
Wow. What an amazing 'anarchist' dream you have! And all in service to a coup directly seeking to imitate the Bolshevik government which had dissolved a democratically elected leftist government by force!
What a brave new form of anarchism this is! Almost as brave and coherent as:
Excellent attempt at 'closing down the discussion' with another response! Must be another new definition of your's, like how anarchism now means supporting fascism and genocide!
"If only the KPD had succeeded in a fascist coup to dismantle democracy against the will of the majority of the population!"
Man, if only the KPD had run in the fucking first elections in Weimar History. You know, like Rosa Luxemburg wanted them to do. But of course, Rosa Luxemburg is just another fucking neolib like me, right?
Sorry that my opinion isn't "Fascist coups are a Good Thing, Actually", unlike what you think 'real anarchists' support.
No you just vote for it.
Sure, bub.
You're right. You're a master at baiting. I should bow out of this shite.
I voted for "less support for Zionism"
You went for "More support for Zionism"
Just like how you approve of Hitler winning to show the SPD who's boss.
Excuse me, but if the Spartacist Uprising was defeated by the Freikorps, how do you expect the Spartacist Uprising to destroy the SPD and the Freikorps?
Like, do you think that once the Weimar government was overthrown, the Freikorps would just put down their arms and surrender? Or is it more likely that the far-right influences in the Freikorps would celebrate the fall of the filthy democratic government which seemed poised to run the country, and gleefully kill the KPD putschists and take over themselves?
I'm 'baiting' for pointing out that you bend over backwards to support literal genocide denialism? And that you celebrate the defeat of the SPD at the hands of Hitler?
Sorry that it makes you feel bad when people call you out for being a fascist bootlicker?
Join the club. I have no idea what's happening, there's accusations and counter accusations flying everywhere. I'm gonna wait for things to die down and get the TLDR from somebody trustworthy.
There isn't anyone trustworthy, there is only the comment chains of petty internet drama and only fools spend more time on this than it takes to block someone
And yet here you are commenting on it...
I've never claimed to be wise, just right about everything
Maybe I can weigh in here as a neutralish third party observer. I like goat and Pug, but I think they are taking this too seriously and being a bit too terminally online. I also like db0, but I think the accusations of them protecting tankies is credible. I think the specific accusations against Davel and uruffled are also credible, though for slightly different reasons I won't go into here. Everyone knows tankies gonna tank.
What it comes down to is that I think there has been a real effort to bait goat and Pug into this interaction, and this kind of thing has happened a few different times with different users who have run afoul of the tankie triad. I think goat and Pug kind of took the bait and need to chill out, and I think db0 needs to be more open to the idea that a few tankie power users really are trying to manipulate large portions of the fediverse, including their instance. Tankies are a problem on the fediverse, and to some degree I do kind of applaud goat and Pug for trying to stand up to them, but now we are just into useless shit slinging meta.
More than anything though, I think this is a great example of how public voting drives this kind of toxicity.
Goat has been overreacting by banning dbzer0 users as a whole.
While I'm obviously biased, I don't think I've been overreacting simply by calling out literal fucking genocide denial.
thats obviously fake, pug