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[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If China's already at 5nm, they're getting close. Smallest in use now is 3nm, I think.

This poses the question, how long until China can achieve its goals without Taiwan and TSMC?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I imagine they will be able to produce bleeding edge chips within a year or two tops. What's even more interesting though is that China is now producing chips on different substrates like gallium that don't have any equivalents in the west. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3323448/luo-weiwei-former-nasa-scientist-who-became-chinas-semiconductor-trump-card

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Idk about 2 years, but they can definitely do it by 2030.

It took TSMC a while to get to that point if I'm not mistaken, so even with all the financial might of the CCP, I still doubt it will happen THAT quickly.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Sure, it's hard to predict exact timing on these sort of things, so another 5 years is a plausible timeline. It does tend to be easier to do things the second time around. When you're doing something from scratch then you don't know what the right approach will be, you're going to have false starts, and so on. When the general idea has been proven, it's much easier to replicate because now you know what the general direction to pursue is.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If they do then they will likely invade Taiwan. The threat of America blowing up TSMC to prevent if from falling into China's hands, and nuking the world economy, is what is stopping China from invading. Once China has it's own advanced semiconductor industry there will immediately be war.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only reason I can see for china to invade china 2 is if usa places nukes there

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

China views the unification of the Chinese people as key to it's prosperity. Just like with Hong Kong and Macau. They've also explicitly said they intend to invade Taiwan if peaceful unification is impossible.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So you said the same as me, but framed like a cia stenographer would. Why tho? You gain something from convincing people that china bad?

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I didn't say the same as you, and I'm not trying to convince anyone that China's bad. China views Taiwan as an inextricable part of China.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I always saw it as TSMC potentially being a key reason for China to invade Taiwan so they get their hands on semiconductors, with this being LESS likely now, instead of more, because China no longer needs TSMC and their research.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

China's overtures towards Taiwan have nothing to do with semiconductors. They see Taiwan as an inextricable part of their nation.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because it is. They've also made it very clear that they intend to follow a path of peaceful unification and the only reason that hasn't happened already is because of US meddling and military threats.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't agree with that.

Taiwan hasn't been part of China since before the CCP came to power. China is doing just fine without Taiwan and Taiwan doesn't seem to want to join China.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It seems you're mostly right (except there are rumours that a Taiwan takeover is part of China's long term plan for economic dominance).

I'm worried at how many China shills there are around here.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm a soft China shill myself, I just don't agree with their intended invasion of Taiwan (among other policies) nor the ethnonationalist-like beliefs underlying it.

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't you have that backwards? Without TSMC's outstanding technology, the island's value decreases, both for China and for the USA. Conventional wisdom is that reduced tensions also reduces the risk of war.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

China’s overtures towards Taiwan have nothing to do with semiconductors. They see Taiwan as an inextricable part of their nation.