this post was submitted on 07 Sep 2025
343 points (92.1% liked)
Comics
7511 readers
41 users here now
This is a community for everything comics related! A place for all comics fans.
Rules:
1- Do not violate lemmy.ml site-wide rules
2- Be civil.
3- If you are going to post NSFW content that doesn't violate the lemmy.ml site-wide rules, please mark it as NSFW and add a content warning (CW). This includes content that shows the killing of people and or animals, gore, content that talks about suicide or shows suicide, content that talks about sexual assault, etc. Please use your best judgement. We want to keep this space safe for all our comic lovers.
4- No Zionism or Hasbara apologia of any kind. We stand with Palestine π΅πΈ . Zionists will be banned on sight.
5- The moderation team reserves the right to remove any post or comments that it deems a necessary for the well-being and safety of the members of this community, and same goes with temporarily or permanently banning any user.
Guidelines:
- If possible, give us your sources.
- If possible, credit creators of each comics in the title or body of your post. If you are the creator, please credit yourself. A simple β- Meβ would suffice.
- In general terms, write in body of your post as much information as possible (dates, creators, editors, links).
- If you found the image on the web, it is encouraged to put the direct link to the image in the βLinkβ field when creating a post, instead of uploading the image to Lemmy. Direct links usually end in .jpg, .png, etc.
- One post by topic.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I opened directly with the cause of the famine, weather conditions and disaster. Mismanagement played a part everywhere, but management also alleviated issues. The Ukrainian comminists hiding how bad the famine was getting weren't the only problems.
Just like you can't blame widerange problems purely on individuals, you also can't blame individuals for problems like the weather or for mismanagement at different levels, Stalin did not cause the famine. I defend socialism because socialism helped end food insecurity, outside of wartime the 1930s famine was the last major famine in soviet history thanks to the collectivization of agriculture.
Well you can? Why have then
If these very problems could be solved with proper management?
The famine, which you refuse to call holodomor, was a challenge that highlighted the price of a mistake in the Soviet union.
Yes, clap-clap, the famine was the last one, that was a huge achievement of the soviets.
Why would you blame individuals for the weather? Is Stalin supposed to be Zeus? You can blame individuals for their mismanagement, but you seem to be attributing problems with other people specifically to Stalin, or attributing problems with management to socialism in general. It's faulty.
Secondly, no, the 1930s famine could not have been prevented by excellent management, it was largely caused by weather disasters. Perfect hindsight may have helped, but that would have meant collectivizing even earlier so as to develop industrial agriculture that could withstand weather fluctuations. In a region where famine was common and regular pre-socialism, ending famine is an achievement. That's a major force for why life expectancy doubled from pre-socialism, along with safety nets like free healthcare.
Finally, I don't call it holodomor because holodomor is the debunked idea that it was an intentional genocide, a stance that isn't really relevant outside of far-right anti-communists.