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What are your opinions on anti-natalism? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 days ago by nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Anti-natalism is the philosophical value judgment that procreation is unethical or unjustifiable. Antinatalists thus argue that humans should abstain from making children. Some antinatalists consider coming into existence to always be a serious harm. Their views are not necessarily limited only to humans but may encompass all sentient creatures, arguing that coming into existence is a serious harm for sentient beings in general. There are various reasons why antinatalists believe human reproduction is problematic. The most common arguments for antinatalism include that life entails inevitable suffering, death is inevitable, and humans are born without their consent. Additionally, although some people may turn out to be happy, this is not guaranteed, so to procreate is to gamble with another person's suffering. WIKIPEDIA

If you think, maybe for a few years, like 10-20 years, no one should make babies, and when things get better, we can continue, then you are not an anti-natalist. Anti-natalists believe that suffering will always be there and no one should be born EVER.

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[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Science.

Science has been able to get inside the heads and determine what animals are thinking? This is a breakthrough! We should now be able to communicate with these animals! Surely we can, right?

My point is how you tried to argue reproduction based on instincts, so I brought another instinct-based trait.

Ok, try not eating. Period. I bet instincts will kick in, and you'll eat, and not starve.

Urbanization and capitalism aren’t part of Nature.

Nobody besides yourself even implied they are.

I doubt it can be changed, especially due to how things are pivoting to technofascism in the world. I doubt it can be changed, especially due to how we humans are constantly endangering other species for living as “modern humans”.

We've changed it myriad times. I provided two such examples.

However, we humans have been long detached from natural means of living so transition wouldn’t be easy, we’re sort of cursed to “modernity”, so it’s complicated.

Ah, so you think all humanity is illustrated only by western living, huh?