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western leftists will never have my respect.
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The Charlie Kirk incident really showed how many so called "leftists" in these online spaces are actually just closet liberals. I would say the number is about 90%. It's very clear that the vast majority of Americans do not give a fuck about anyone's suffering unless it either affects them personally or offends their precious sensibilities. They harbor a sort of Bellamyite delusion that by doing absolutely nothing, they will beat the fascists and achieve utopia.
What absolutely baffles me is: how TF does anyone who purports to be a leftist say they don't support tankies?
Exactly.. how does a socialist, communist or anarchist think revolution will happen?
Revolution via the ballot box is by far the rarest form of socialist uprising and can anyone provide an example of communists taking power that did NOT involve violent struggle?
I'm not advocating for violence but, pacifism as an absolute moral precept is a joke. If you listen to liberals, you'd believe that it was solely MLKs and Gandhi's peaceful ways that brought about change. History shows completely the opposite, but is it any wonder that the West lionizes "peaceful protest" while strongly admonishing any form of direct action?
NED colour revolutions are always the most disproportionately violent, and they support the lot of them.
This is what I mean by the Bellamyite delusion. He essentially believed that the transition from capitalism to socialism would not only be peaceful, but natural. The people can just sit on their asses and wait until the capitalists are done consuming themselves. That is the ghost that haunted American progressive movements for the last hundred years. They don't believe in revolutions; their ideal form of government is a momentary retreat from capitalism (i.e. New Deal era) or Nordic welfare capitalism, both of which are utterly impossible to achieve in modern US. These people have good hearts, but it just seems impossible to wake them up from establishment slop.
The western world Is a privileged one being a genuine communist means giving up that privilege in order to ensure a happy standard of living for all and no one wants to give up that privilege lmao (btw why arent there more deprogramites joining lemmygrad?)
My guess is not enough people heard about this place. I saw it through r/marxistculture but if someone's not subscribed to any other tankie adjacent subs I imagine they're just left in the dark. Alternatively because the other subs aren't banned presumably a lot of them just took refuge elsewhere on reddit (before those subs are eventually destroyed too)
Rosa Talks about it in Reform or Revolution in a way I always quote at social democrats because it's both funny and true:
It's still true a century later and SocDems (I include DemSocs in this category too) are no more radical.
SocDems have abandoned any perspective of socialism, so I don't even care much about them. DemSocs, on the other hand have their faces pushed so hard against the liberal institutions arses that they have immense difficulty to think about solutions outside of the liberal political game, in the end being no better than other socdems.
I just assume that DemSocs are cowardly SocDems. It's a lot quicker haha
They don't have good hearts, they're white supremacists
You are spot on.
Also, the Nordic model is disintegrating in real time. Much like the new deal, any concessions won from the capitalist class can be rolled back or negated without a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Bozos are about to lose their universal healthcare and pension after their governments increase the NATO funding.
i always hope for a peaceful revolution at the ballot box and actively work towards that even though i dont think it will happen. it would be the best outcome but i always assume that material conditions will worsen while left wing parliamentary movements will be kept down. if the material conditions get bad enough there may be an uprising but that is a cointoss if it will be left or right so whichever way it goes we gotta educate people
The robber barons who own literally most of the wealth in this world will never allow anything like the new deal to happen ever again.
Only the existence of the USSR and the very real communist/socialist movement in the west in the early 20th century could wring a dimes worth of social care from the grip of the gilded class.
And even then, it was a bloody struggle. History points to the US only getting involved in the European theater in ww2 when it looked like the soviets were going to win and take the loot.
Folks point to “lend lease” but it was far less important than what America claims.
At any rate, there’s a snowballs chance in hell of even a democratic socialist revolution at the ballot box. They’re pulling out the stops to prevent a dem-socialist mayor in one city. It would be an all out assault for anything more. Hell, they’ll just have folks killed before they let that happen.