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idk the comments in this thread feel very male centered tbh.
false accusations count for 2-12% of rpe charges whereas >80% of women who are assaulted don't even get to report it - so why is there such outrage over the 2-12% of the 20% (ie 0.24% to 2.4% of rpe cases) that unfairly impact men and not the 80% of cases that unfairly impact women?
or do people think r*pe isn't as damaging as false accusations?
and doesn't mean we shouldn't try to solve both but what do you think should be prioritized?
Because if you falsely accuse me of a crime and im looking at jail time, we have a problem that is going to turn violent very fast. Im a firm believer in persuing rapists. It is in no way paradoxical for me to say that is would be unfair for my innocence should be presumptive.
I can only assume that people advocating for the blanket belief of woman victims must all be women, because how are you possibly going to put yourself in a situation where half of the people around you can simoly say three words and your entire life is over. As it stands now, any woman who walks into my buisness could accuse me of rape and i would lose my family, my job, and likely my house. Literally half of the people i interact with could end my life.
Its funny, theres a parallel with that last sentence that id be lacking to not bring up. But when when its in the context of half of the people you meet being able to physically end your life, thats a problem.
The only thing people are advocating for here is eliminating the double standard. Everyone should be presumed innocent in any type of crime, because at least for me im not serving time for a crime i didnt commit without taking everyone else involved down.
Wow so tuff, this guy absolutely pulverized that strawman
The point is that unjustly accused people have the right to violent uphold their rights against persecution. If you accept false accusations as an eventuality, you accept violent retribution as well.
Feel free to explain why correctly accused people wouldn't do the same thing.
Also feel free to explain how due process only applies to other people because you're allowed to be violent if the law even thinks of responding to an accusation, false or otherwise, like it would for any other crime.
It applies differently because reasonable people presume innocence and will therefore support those accised without evidence.
LMAO
Love the casual implication that women can't possibly be asking for that evidence to taken and treated seriously.
Idk isn't people getting disgusted and defensive when put in the same group as rapists and pedophiles a good thing?
Imagine the alternative where men are just fine with it or even start making jokes about it like the male communities in other apps. I would just abandon lemmy.
Because guilty until proven innocent.
Don't get me wrong, there are huge problems both with (parts of) male culture normalizing sexual harrassment and barriers to reporting of sexual assault, but none of that means that it isn't expected that some amount of it goes unpunished so we don't punish anyone innocent. Believe the victim doesn't mean you instantly condemn the accused, it means you support the victim with their problems and don't start questioning everything outside of court. (Money/power also probably plays a big role in how many high profile cases that seem pretty clear go unpunished, but I don't need to explain that to lemmy of all places).
So anything suggesting that less than 100% of accusations leading to convictions leaves a horrible taste.
The manosphere hate to acknowledge women as victims, and love to identify as one themselves
No one in here has in any way lessened the victimhood of woman in any way that ive seen, they've literally just stated that innocence until proven guilty should remain in effect. Genders aside entirely, do you not see the issue with allowing someone to have the ability to end someones career, family, and and social standing with a simple accusation? Not even in the cintext of anything sexual, that is a wild abuse of power to have, no?