Both can be true.
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What exactly are those thoughts?
Sounds like the formation of logic error.
Some say car crashes are dangerous. What's really dangerous is metastasized cancer.
Both are BS and ruins lifes, the fuck we comparing about?
Thank you, fuck you OP.
those usually come from sexist, myosgynist and incels themselves, that they ruin lives of men.
Like Brock Turner, the rapist, who is living in Ohio. He has only served 3 months of his six year sentence.
Yeah I don't understand the message here, that it's okay to falsely accuse people? Fuck that. That's just another form of injustice.
Feels like trying to monopolize victim hood or some weird shit
The difference is that the real allegations are against the rich.
Lol
I'm a victim of false accusations.
It cost me over 100k in the custody battle. Every cent was worth it and I now have full custody, but I lost years of a relationship with my child. She tried so hard to ruin my life but after multiple frivolous civil lawsuits and CPS investigations alongside the custody battle the truth emerged.
I didn't react. I didn't play into her ploys. I kept a level head. I worked on bettering myself rather than dropping to her level. Despite all that it was the single darkest and hardest times I've ever endured. I'm extremely fortunate that I had a good outcome but I'm afraid that isn't the norm.
False accusations are extremely dangerous.
dint you sue for libel and slander?
Nope.
I've consulted with an attorney and they were very confident I would win. The problem is that I would essentially be spending a lot of money for a piece of paper. She already owes me tens of thousands of dollars in attorneys fees that I will likely never see. Any additional judgement would just go on the pile. You can't get blood from a rock.
I feel it would be better to spend that money giving my kid have a better life.
o7
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False alligations ruins it for everyone. You not only ruin an innocent life, you make it less likely actual victims will be taken serious in the future.
I generally agree but also alternative axes of power and other circumstances can really change the calculus here. It took a lot of real accusations to take weinstein down. It took one false one to kill Emmitt Till. No amount of accusations will do the slightest bit of damage to Trump or to most rich and powerful men.
Drags thinks maybe a lot of people see all false accusation victims as rich and powerful, and forget that false accusation victims can be poor people and minorities.
False accusation victims can even be women! So many of these conversations seem to act like gay sex doesn't exist.
Yeah I think that's usually more a product of the celebrity status honestly... The rich and powerful are rich and powerful, and we live in a world where that money and power can buy your way out of accountability
False allegations absolutely ruin lives 😅
Which is not to say that sexism doesn't play a role in how male celebrities get away with abuse, assault, exploitation, etc. It does.
Go after the rapists wtf?
So, here's where I am on this.
Both things are true: real reports of doing bad things to others should be taken seriously, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
False reports should not happen.
The problem is that, since it's possible to falsely report such a crime, anyone, whether guilty or not, can use that fact against their accuser. Additionally, the fact that there's full assed legal cases where it turns out that the accusations of wrongdoing were indeed false, only serves to lean many people towards doubt.
In addition to all of this, false allegations can absolutely ruin lives. There are people out there on sex offender registries who didn't do anything wrong, sometimes they lose their children, get driven out of communities, etc.... It absolutely can ruin lives.
Unless you have money to burn.
If that's the case then you can fight and win the lengthy legal battles you need to fight to win the case, or at least run out the finances of the opposition. In either case, because of the above and because there's no conviction, especially in the case of the rich and/or the famous, people will either completely forget it happened, or they will see that the case is dropped/settled/discontinued or whatever, and think "see, they're not found guilty, so they must be innocent"
Not realizing that not being found guilty, does not, and should not, imply innocence.
I would add in that it's hard as an individual man who has not sexually assaulted or raped anybody to not feel somewhat targeted or falsely accused by these things.
I am on the victim's side.
Rapists and sexual assaulters should suffer every indignity necessary to restore the balance of what they have done, but it's also understandable that innocent people who get caught up in these shotgun blast social media responses take personal offense at it.
It feels like being accused of something heinous and it's normal and natural to be indignant when you are falsely accused of a crime.
At the same time, though, for me, a man to get into this conversation as if I were somehow a part of it to begin with also causes me to step on the rightful hurt feelings of people who have experienced sexual assault or some sort of gender-based trauma.
It's essentially impossible to thread the needle on this.
idk the comments in this thread feel very male centered tbh.
false accusations count for 2-12% of rpe charges whereas >80% of women who are assaulted don't even get to report it - so why is there such outrage over the 2-12% of the 20% (ie 0.24% to 2.4% of rpe cases) that unfairly impact men and not the 80% of cases that unfairly impact women?
or do people think r*pe isn't as damaging as false accusations?
and doesn't mean we shouldn't try to solve both but what do you think should be prioritized?
Because if you falsely accuse me of a crime and im looking at jail time, we have a problem that is going to turn violent very fast. Im a firm believer in persuing rapists. It is in no way paradoxical for me to say that is would be unfair for my innocence should be presumptive.
I can only assume that people advocating for the blanket belief of woman victims must all be women, because how are you possibly going to put yourself in a situation where half of the people around you can simoly say three words and your entire life is over. As it stands now, any woman who walks into my buisness could accuse me of rape and i would lose my family, my job, and likely my house. Literally half of the people i interact with could end my life.
Its funny, theres a parallel with that last sentence that id be lacking to not bring up. But when when its in the context of half of the people you meet being able to physically end your life, thats a problem.
The only thing people are advocating for here is eliminating the double standard. Everyone should be presumed innocent in any type of crime, because at least for me im not serving time for a crime i didnt commit without taking everyone else involved down.
Wow so tuff, this guy absolutely pulverized that strawman
The point is that unjustly accused people have the right to violent uphold their rights against persecution. If you accept false accusations as an eventuality, you accept violent retribution as well.
Feel free to explain why correctly accused people wouldn't do the same thing.
Also feel free to explain how due process only applies to other people because you're allowed to be violent if the law even thinks of responding to an accusation, false or otherwise, like it would for any other crime.
It applies differently because reasonable people presume innocence and will therefore support those accised without evidence.
LMAO
Love the casual implication that women can't possibly be asking for that evidence to taken and treated seriously.
Idk isn't people getting disgusted and defensive when put in the same group as rapists and pedophiles a good thing?
Imagine the alternative where men are just fine with it or even start making jokes about it like the male communities in other apps. I would just abandon lemmy.
Because guilty until proven innocent.
Don't get me wrong, there are huge problems both with (parts of) male culture normalizing sexual harrassment and barriers to reporting of sexual assault, but none of that means that it isn't expected that some amount of it goes unpunished so we don't punish anyone innocent. Believe the victim doesn't mean you instantly condemn the accused, it means you support the victim with their problems and don't start questioning everything outside of court. (Money/power also probably plays a big role in how many high profile cases that seem pretty clear go unpunished, but I don't need to explain that to lemmy of all places).
So anything suggesting that less than 100% of accusations leading to convictions leaves a horrible taste.
The manosphere hate to acknowledge women as victims, and love to identify as one themselves
No one in here has in any way lessened the victimhood of woman in any way that ive seen, they've literally just stated that innocence until proven guilty should remain in effect. Genders aside entirely, do you not see the issue with allowing someone to have the ability to end someones career, family, and and social standing with a simple accusation? Not even in the cintext of anything sexual, that is a wild abuse of power to have, no?
I guess the difference is that the falsely accused might actually care about what’s being said, and are horrified by the acts they’re accused of.
The guilty only care about the consequences.
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Why are either cases acceptable?
They aren’t, but we are very publicly watching a certain group get away with it, and everyone else being ignored.
Fuck the rich
Being falsely accused of a crime can ruin your life.
why is rape disproportionately mentioned in this context?
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They can still be president and on the Supreme Court while their victims suffer with perpetual ptsd in a bullshit rape culture fostering country
That still shocks me. Apart from the accusation, he had a screaming temper tantrum in the hearing. That alone should have lost him the chair, you wouldn't hire a McDonald's employee if they behaved like that in a job interview
In drag's experience rapists will usually make a false allegation against their victim or whoever shares the victim's story the loudest, so telling true accusations from false ones is necessary for holding rapists accountable. Why are people acting like it's only one or the other?
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