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What exactly is the situation of the Uyghur in China's Xinjiang since 2014 up until now?
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Silk road cultures often made wine, much of the region is arid and carefully cultivated through shared ancient techniques, often from Persia. Not all muslims avoid alcohol, including those from grapes, if that is what you are thinking. In fact, among islamophobes in the West, a presumption of complete avoidance is used to bully and harass muslims. Of course those islamophobes deserve any bad things that come their way.
You may be familiar with Shiraz, for example. This is a Persian style of wine whose production has been banned since the revolution, but the entire eastern area from Iean and beyond has often made and drank wine, including muslims. Though it was not just Persia where muslims in the middle east produced and consumed wine. Many scholars wrote of doing so and of leaders partaking.
Many people know only modern Maghreb and western Middle Eastern cultural practices but these are not all universal for muslims.
leaders partaking doesn't mean it stops being a sin, it is a common occurrence in Islamic history that leaders lean to forbidden earthly pleasures ---> the state gets unjust and weak --> falls. And you can find a scholar's opinion that makes anything acceptable by now, I wouldn't take that "many" is an accurate use of the word here. The idea of "Islam ==> wine is forbidden" is not Islamophobia, harassment is bad of course. Of course not that I'm saying "drinks wine to intoxication ==> out of Islam", it is a matter of jurisprudence, not theology.
TL;DR: Common Khomeini W.
The knee-jerk assignment of never drinking alcohol is an actual islamophobic trope and is used by people unaware of the diversity of thought I described that goes far beyond a handful of past leaders.
I'm bored with your selective and bad faith responses. Please do self-criticism on how to be honest in conversation, as you are not responsive when I point it out.
A big part of the subjects in our long subthread is speculation. I speculated that the procedures seem ignorant and unnecessarily oppressive, while you speculate the opposite. I admitted that I can't deny your claim that I'm pretty unaware of the different colors of culture in Xinjiang, but I still view my assumptions as justified.
As a side note: Even if China actually dealt well with the problem, which the results do seem to suggest, the practice of censoring should be met with suspicion and doubt.
You may consult: Qurβan 2:219, 4:43, 5:90β91, in my view you are treating Islam as "culture" instead of "religious science". If you think it normal for Muslims to drink Alcohol, you need at least some kind of school of juri ("fiqh") to support this. I said that I'm from Algeria, and it is the norm that whoever you meet never drunk wine (well, now this country is getting ruined with drugs though). I don't see how "Muslims never drink alcohol ==> Islamophobic", like when I accuse someone that they abstain from harming their mind, is it a bad thing to say about them ?
Yes I am being selective, since you seem to punish speculations I tried to answer only things that I'm confident of.
I need to point a reason why I might be getting aggressive here myself: you have the habit of throwing insults when you "correct" the other party like a punishment, I see why you would pick that habit for debates, but not for conversations. And I admit that my responses were harsher though.