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Do some people just regurgitate arguments blindly? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 3 days ago by King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I notice this with people talking about capitalism, obviously, but honestly what drove me to make this post is the attempted arguments against veganism. They're basically 95% unoriginal and fail under the most basic of scrutiny.

Take, for example, "not eating the meat won't bring the cow back." Under basically any logical scrutiny, this is a clear double standard to any other purchasing decision in capitalist society, and doesn't really make any sense. But I've seen in so many times over the years, so much so that im planning on becoming a vegan over a period of time. Not because of any arguments vegans make, but because somehow pro-meat eaters are losing a debate to a brick wall, and the conclusions I've made myself have convinced myself that I should be vegan. And I'm really starting to ask, do people just...like...ctrl+c ctrl+v arguments in their head?

I...try to be nice. But...how little respect to your own ability do you have if you do that? Not only to justify something you really don't have to, but something you obviously dont care about. I mean...sorry, it's just baffling to me.

In the words of Kim Kitsuragi from disco elysium, "I dont understand officer...please, help me understand"

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[–] Oppopity@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People do have that option though. It's not cars vs non-existent rail transport. It's meat vs beans.

If everyone stopped eating meat, cows wouldn't be farmed for meat.

The fact that now supermarkets have entire vegan sections or vegan variants of non-vegan products is proof of a deman for vegan products. People that could be spending money of meat, are spending on vegan alternatives instead.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you're just going to ignore the part about the importance of political power and organizing, huh. Fascinating.

[–] Oppopity@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No lol

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So my takeaway is you don't care about ending factory farming, you just want to argue about abstractions.

[–] Oppopity@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No lol

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This might be the most childish behavior I've seen on this instance. I hope no one sees this thread and thinks it is the normal here, cause it's not.

[–] FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every thread here about veganism ends up like this.
Ironically, browsing lemmygrad for a few years has given me a negative bias towards vegans and veganism in general.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 21 hours ago

I can see why if you've encountered this with any regularity. It seems to me that it is a poor representation of those views. In contrast, every time I've met someone in RL who is vegetarian or vegan, they are pretty low key about it and basically just bring it up if there are situations where dietary restrictions need to be considered. Not that I think people should be going to the point of not even saying it if they believe strongly about it, but like, "pick your battles" kind of thing, I guess is what I'm getting at? Unless they're someone who is just really skillful at chatting ideology calmly with another person like they're talking about the weather, then they may be able to broach those subjects with anyone and everyone they meet without it feeling like someone is on trial. I'm not like that though, certain subjects and points of view will make it hard for me to stay calm, so I tread lightly with who all and when all I even get into some subjects. Cause if I lose my cool, not only might I harm a relationship that could otherwise be worked on, it makes it hard to think persuasively as well. And people generally don't want to listen to someone who is going off on them.