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Bernie Sanders becomes first US senator to say Israel committing genocide in Gaza
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2025
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About fucking time, too. It was a running joke that he had an autocorrect function in his brain that changed every instance of "Israel" to "Netanyahu" and deleted every mention of the word genocide.
Good on him for finally showing the courage to speak directly and honestly about the worst genocide since the most famous one, though.
Now if only he could realize that a two state solution is a nonstarter. Israel has shown that they don't exempt the territories of foreign nations any more than the occupied Palestinian territories.
The only way to achieve anything resembling lasting peace is to dismantle the Israeli apartheid regime and replace it with an ACTUALLY democratic nation that doesn't inherently discriminate based on ethnicity, religion, and ancestry.
i hope you like waiting because that's all you're going to get from him.
I know.
I've long since given up on him ever getting there, but that doesn't mean that I can't express that it would be better if he did 🤷
... Really? Worse than Rwanda? Cambodia? It's enough that it's very very bad, you don't have to go flaunting your historical ignorance.
Yes, worse than both of those.
I'm not at all ignorant about either, but you might be ignorant of the sheer scale and longevity of the one Israel has been continually committing since 1948.
Ok. Wow. I'm in the wrong channel for this. I apologise. This was not the place for the conversation. Removed.
Plenty of people correctly said it was a genocide since 1948, so I'm not sure what you mean here.
Ditto.
I don't disagree with the points I made, but they were made insensitively in an inappropriate space, and I am removing them
Forced displacement and ethnic cleansing isn't genocide??
Performing genocide denial and erasing the Nakba to show why genocide has only just occurred is weird.
Again, best to remove this
You said the bar for genocide has only just been reached in 2025.... erasing the Nakba that started in 1947.
Being rude AND denying a genocide won't get you anywhere, pick a struggle.
It is not my advice and I would never speak on behalf of the Palestinians, so maybe get that clear.
Accepting that something is a genocide and stressing that genocide is bad but also other genocides exist doesn't sound like denial to me but you do you
Absolutely love that the part of my post that it presumably got deleted for is visible in your comment about it. That says something, doesn't it?
Yes, that we were correct you were rude with that comment. Quoting the part where you were rude is not necessarily a breach of the rules.
Good stuff, hope you find this a productive way of engaging yourself in discussion. Would hate for you to have to see a rude word (that you hadn't yourself posted, Obviously. You're special and get special rules because you're so great and we all love you)
What a fucking baby
Quite
The nakba was a genocide, dumbass. Don't blame others for your ignorance; you chose to be loud and wrong; then people smarter than you called that out.
Instead of calling people names you should do some research on the genocide and colonization of Palestinians/Palestine.
Ok numbers obviously not your strong suit. Displacement of 700k ppl, whilst obviously a tragedy on a massive scale, is not equatable to the murder of 8+ million. That is my claim. If you wish to dispute it plz tr harder than 'genocide denier', just because you happen to care more about this one.
I'm gonna spell it out nice and slow for you: the nakba was a genocide.
Calling it a "displacement" when it lead to the total ethnic removal of a group of people is actually trying to mislabel what everyone (except you) understands happened.
Genocides include: killing, rape, and displacement. All of which happened in the nakba. Genocide is when you want to remove people from a land by means of displacement and murder based entirely on the identity of the victims.
People get displaced due to wars and natural disasters; we don't call those genocides because there is no fucking desire to destroy/remove an entire group of people based on their identity.
Genocide= people are being killed and removed because of their race/religion/ethnicity
I cannot explain it any simpler, if you still don't understand then you're either stupid, rotten, or some combination of the two.
Mate. The point I'm here to make is : calling what's happening in Palestine the worst genocide since the Holocaust of the Jewish people is not a strictly accurate claim by most metric I would expect to measure it by (total death count or proportion of population being the two most obvious ones, hence Cambodia because that was fuckinc rough). Will it eventually achieve that notorious level of savagery? I hope not. I hope the cunts are shamed into behaving. But it behoovs you you remember that there are many many terrible things going on and which have already gone on, and some sweeping statements with no basis in anything quantitative can look very much like erasure.
Of course you're already know this because you're super duper smart and awesome and just such a font of moral wisdom, there are never any grey spaces with you, it's amazing the clarity that comes to me in those brief moments where you're here to help guide me
Sorry, I misspoke in my passion. I meant to say a quarter of 8 million people. I apologise for the misleading numbers
Then say "2 million" you fucking dumbass, who tf says "a quarter of 8 million"?
Someone referring to the fact that it was a quarter of the population of a country with 8mil ppl living in it. Dumbass.
Then say 2 fucking million. Everyone can do the math and no one dick measures genocides with percents.
Jesus, admit you're wrong and fuck off.
That's Cambodia I'm talking about btw. It's one of the other genocides. Of which there are far too many to be remotely comfortable. One is evil incarnate. Do not think for a second I am trying to make excuses.
No, they have only recently worsened enough and become publicly verifiable enough that people are admitting what's been true for a century.
And that reason is that the media and governments of all western nations were implicitly trusting the Hasbara lies and gaslighting most other people to do so too.
That the lies only recently stopped working doesn't mean that they only recently started being lies.
A century? What was going on in 1926 ?
We're looking at hundreds of thousands of casualties, virtually the entire population of the Gaza strip, dead within the next two years.
That said, the civil war in Sudan is potentially worse by raw numbers, as they've got a large population.
In terms of percentages, it's a race to the bottom between these two modern day genocides.
Because after all, if someone else can just come along and remove something I said, surely I should be permitted the same capability