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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it's completely possible to enjoy a flawed creation.

And in this case, I think La'An's story this season was fairly strong, even though it was heavily (if not entirely) tied to her relationship with Spock.

Ortegas got an entire episode devoted to her, but the criticism about her experience with the Gorn being largely overlooked prior to that is completely fair.

Uhura certainly had less to do, and I think Una was pretty short-changed this season.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I want to speak to this a bit because I enjoy a lot of flawed things, SNW included. I also don't spend time complaining about entertainment I don't like because if I don't like it I just don't talk about it at all. I used to spend that energy but it got old.

Side story: A friend of mine is a huge Wheel of Time fan. He has reread the books dozens of times. He started a book club where we worked at the time just to have someone to discuss them with (which i joined). This was in the days leading up to the final 3 coming out, so quite a while ago. It's flawed. 90% of the plot could have been fixed by saying "then they actually talked to each other". Women characters weren't generally treated with care. Hell, dudes weren't either in a lot of cases. When Brandon Sanderson took over the character voices changed. And I have bitched about all the issues with the books. But only because I really enjoyed them.

So when I come out and complain about yet another Spock romance, how the women aren't being treated right, reversing the polarity of the jammy dodger flow (oh, that's Doctor Who), Trelane vs Q, or whatever else it's because I genuinely like Trek. I don't talk about DS9 or the later seasons of Discovery because they're just not my cup of tea. I'm going to let the people who like them have their own conversation without my negative opinion tainting the conversation.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sure, I think the key is balance in all things. I absolutely loathed the third season of "Picard", but I'm not going to jump into every conversation about it I see just for the sake of saying so.

But if it makes sense, and is relevant...I might, if I feel like it. There's room to talk about what you disliked about something, and why. It just shouldn't be your entire personality, y'know?

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 2 points 2 days ago

Well said, there's criticism and then there's jumping in to give an opinion.

Your comment about WoT - if they just talked to each other - resonated with me. I gave up reading the series halfway through because of that. If they just had Post-it notes, that would have made a difference.

As a fellow enjoyer of some flawed things, I haven't gotten too far into this season. I'm a quarter of the way through the "holodeck" episode. I'm just not caring about the characters' lives at this point.

I want to but I can't.

I also find it odd that, apparently, the Federation is incapable of diagnosing and treating PTSD or mental illness in general. They have replicators and matter transportation but not therapy.