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Americans really underestimate how much China and Russia are contributing to US decline. They have full information control in their countries and they see information freedom as weakness. These countries literally have professional trolls that go to office 9-5 just to disrupt the internet. These aren't just few hundred bots - it's millions of professional provacoteurs and liars.
If you're old enough to remember the internet as it was 15-20 years ago it's fairly obvious. Even in the early days of social media a narrative wouldn't spread a fraction as quickly or with as much explosive rhetoric. In a week after a major incident we might get 4 or 5 waves of conflicting or compounding narratives.
You can imagine our social discourse as a massive pool of competing ideas going back and forth; a large disruption might cause a sizable wave. You'd expect rebound waves (opposing ideas) from the opposite fringe to naturally counteract and disperse the original and each other, keeping the water choppy but level.
With a larger network (ie: Twitter in 2025 vs Twitter in 2008) you'd expect to see more inertia and more stability, the fact that we don't is damning. Forcing the mass uniformity of rhetoric that we see these days (massive waves sweeping across hundreds of millions on multiple platforms) is not something that could be orchestrated by anything less than state actors. It takes the planning and coordination of both the initial narratives and responses.
Yup I'm a daily internet user since the 90s and I grew up in Soviet Empire and it's so obvious how gamed the internet is today. I love internet and would never trade it for China's intranet or similar but the world needs to wisen the fuck up and treat this trolling like any other weapon. Just because its information and not physical gas or nuclear bombs doesnt mean it's not damaging.
The problem here is the hubris of everyone involved "they run information campaign against us well ours will be better!" It's fundamentally idiotic way of approaching mass information the same way governments approach geopolitical information as in "tit for tat, if you leak our shit well leak yours etc" when this doesn't work at the scale of the web.
There will be a day where the camels back will be broken but I'm afraid it'll be too late and we all end up either in a war or isolated, dystopia networks like China or Russia.
i think china is new on the scene, but russia has been using troll farms for the last decade+, it drastically increase when trump got elected his first term.
China is definitely not new.
Good thing the US would never do that. Or other awful things like overthrowing democracies and installing fascist dictators.
Not trying to justify any of this, just pointing out the reality that all the major players are actively destabilizing each other.
Could you imagine the world we could build if we weren't wasting so much time and energy fighting imaginary others.
If we could stop being dicks to eachother for like 5 minutes and spend our money on something other than espionage and bombs, we'd probably have interstellar travel by now.
It's all about greedy bastards getting rich.
Impossible. Psychopaths always get priority elected over normal people. They just break-through easier.
It's like meta-gaming, in that non-psychopaths are basically non-viable.
When was the last time you heard of Muhamad Mamdami?
Ugh americans with their "but its both sides" is exactly why you guys are so fucked rn.
That's what you took from that?
Yes, this falacy is my biggest pet peeve "all sides are bad and resistance is moot".
We get better gradually not through some silver bullet policy. Call out all mistakes, be it US, China, Russia etc. - we absolutely have the power here to resist all injustice and nothing should be justified.
All sides are bad if you are comparing superpowers for sure, but that has nothing to do with resistance.
Yes, things can get better through incremental changes and that is also the most realistic way to fix our many problems. I completely agree.