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[–] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I will always understand having grievances for the democratic party because all they do is defend the status quo - I do too - but not voting over that is just fucking stupid. You want to change that? Go to protests, vote in primaries, support local initiatives for ranked choice voting, donate to causes you find actually beneficial, support local politicians that dont just support the status quo, support movements you believe in. If its about Gaza, speak up about that, donate to humanitarian funds, etc. There are ao many things you can do that can impact these things. But refusing to vote does actually fucking nothing for that cause.

There is no world in which more people refusing to vote for Kamala would have gotten us a better president or stopped genocide in gaza. Or really had any impact in any way that wasn't making trump more likely to win. IMO the folks that did that were doing it more for themselves so they could feel morally superior because they didnt vote for the candidate that supported genocide or the "status quo" even though it literally never would have had any impact on either of those things.

(And let's be real - trump is way worse for Gaza than Kamala would have been. I'm sure she wouldn't have done enough, just like Biden, but at least there are voices in that party calling out Israel. Those voices fall far more deaf on this administration's ears)

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One sentence of shit I don't mean, but three paragraphs of shit I do mean.

And don't bring up primaries. It's just gloating since you know the party doesn't run honest primaries when it pretends to have them at all.

[–] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Democratic primaries do have issues, yeah, particularly in the presidential race. But I wouldn't say theyre meaningless in local elections. Still, definitely a lot of issues, but voting in primaries still does far more than refusing to vote in the main election ever would.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

But I wouldn’t say theyre meaningless in local elections.

Henry Cuellar.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yep, I could not agree more. Seeing the smug and the self-righteous still proudly argle-bargling about Gaza is infuriating, if you ask me. I don't know how many genuinely feel this way when it's online - many could just be paid Russian stooges or bots, for all I know.

But I do know a few IRL and when it comes up, it's hard to keep my cool. It'd be one thing if they didn't act so goddamned morally superior about it all. I've noticed that all of the ones I know of IRL are not in at-risk groups, other than a few cases being women and some being not active xtians (but raised xtian), if that counts. But all of them are white, all of them are at least middle class, none are gay/trans...probably most have the means to get the fuck out of this country if they really had to, etc.

[–] WrittenInRed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Trans person here, Harris sucked as a candidate. Her refusal to take any sort of stance against an ongoing genocide isn't the sole reason for her loss but it was certainly a pretty big factor, alongside all of the other positions she didn't meaningfully differentiate herself from Biden on in an attempt to win over non-existent moderate republicans. I don't blame a single person for refusing to vote for her, no one's vote belongs to a party. Being upset at the people who wanted at least one of the candidates running for president to not be actively supporting a genocide instead of those politicians, who were actively supporting a fucking genocide, seems at best misguided.

(Also, of the anarchist/leftist groups and spaces I've visited or been a part of irl, a pretty significant number of the people there have been queer or trans or in some other marginalized group.)

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago

Yep, I could not agree more. Seeing the smug and the self-righteous still proudly argle-bargling about Gaza is infuriating

This is a two way street, your lack of perspective makes your self-righteousness just as insufferable.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It’d be one thing if they didn’t act so goddamned morally superior about it all.

People who oppose genocide are morally superior to those who support it. I can imagine that people who want to support genocide while still wanting to pretend they're good people would like that to not be the case.