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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Because you’re not a business. None of those are costs associated with your job. If you didn’t have your job you would still be paying for those things.

How do you not understand this? Do unemployed people not need to eat or pay rent?

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because you’re not a business.

I know. That's not relevant.

None of those are costs associated with your job.

If I don't eat, if I don't have a place to live, if I can't use electricity or water or sewer I can't do my job.

If you didn’t have your job you would still be paying for those things.

If I didn't have a job I wouldn't be paying rent or utilities right?

Do unemployed people not need to eat?

how do they eat? Where do they get the money to eat? Do they pay taxes on that money?

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As always, missed the point.

You need to eat and pay rent even when you don’t have a job, therefore they’re not costs related to your income.

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You need to eat and pay rent even when you don’t have a job, therefore they’re not costs related to your income.

How do I eat and pay rent if I don't have a job?

That requires money right?

Where do I get that money?

Do I pay taxes on that money?

Do I need to eat and stay alive in order to get that income?

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is like talking to a brick wall. If you don’t have a job you still have those costs, so that means those costs are not work related so can’t be claimed as tax deductions.

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is like talking to a brick wall. If you don’t have a job you still have those costs, so that means those costs are not work related so can’t be claimed as tax deductions

Let's see if I can break it down so that even you can understand it.

If I don't have any income I can't eat and will die.

If I have any income and I spend any of that income on food then any taxes I pay on that income I should be able to deduct the cost of that food because without that food I won't be able to pay taxes because I will be dead.

Any food I eat is absolutely related to any income I get. Without income I have no food and I die. Without food I will die and will not earn (or aquire) income. My ability to get income is 100% dependent on the cost of the food. It's absolutely related.

No food == no income.

got it?

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I don’t have any income I can’t eat and will die.

Plenty of people don't have any income and can still eat and don't die. This alone proves you wrong.

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you talking about children?

How do people buy food without any money?

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you think everyone lives paycheque to paycheque?

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 17 hours ago

Most people are in debt so they actually spend more than they make. NZ has amongst the highest personal debt in the world.

But your point is irrelevant.

if you have money to buy food you will need to pay taxes. If you are tapping into savings you are earning interest and that's income. if you are selling things to make ends meet that's income. If you are on the dole then that's income. Hell if people gift you things that may also be counted as income.

The point is no food == no income. If you die of starvation then you will not earn income. Any income you do earn depends 100% on you eating and staying alive.

The fact this simple fact is unable to penetrate your brain shows how much your brain has been calcified by ideology.