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[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Something something both sides same.

One side, forgive student debt and invest in infrastructure.

Other side, masked agents kidnap off street, send people to concentration camps, and censor free speech.

See, both sides same.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Mocking individuals that you disagree with by reducing all of their arguments down to "both sides same" and setting up a straw man that you easily defeat is not helping anyone.

Our system sucks and we need to take action. Do you disagree with that statement? Would you like to work together with others, in an inclusive fashion, to achieve real solutions?

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t really understand this comment. I was replying to the parent comment with a sarcastic/joke take on the “both sides same” people.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Say somebody writes a few paragraphs about the American political system in good faith.

If they draw any parallels between the parties, even a little bit, people come out of the woodwork to mock them and reduce their arguments down to "both sides same". Your comment encapsulates such a situation. You led your comment by saying, "Something something both sides same". I just want to make it clear that I agree that there are significant, stark differences between the two parties, and I understood your sarcasm and probable frustration.

If somebody simply says "both sides same" as their main argument or by itself: you are more than welcome in my book to call it out and push back.

However, I'm trying to suggest that sometimes the "Something something" could be engaged with if it's in good faith, and it'd advance discourse. I'm also trying to suggest that mocking, while valid, can be unfairly applied. It likely isn't the best use of our energy as it can be divisive.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ok, I think I see why your last comment made no sense to me. I think you’re trying to have a substantive discussion, but… you’re engaging with a joke. I can’t debate you because I don’t have a serious position, I have a joke.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Fair enough, that's that then - I thought I was engaging with a person. As it must be clear now to you, it's the opposite of funny to me - it's frustrating, though not as frustrating as people who regularly spout both sides rhetoric in bad faith.