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That isn't dawn. No one should take vitamin D at dawn or when they first wake up. They should take it later in the day. Not at dusk either.
"Closer to dawn than dusk" doesn't mean "at dawn", more like "before midday".
And yes, it is literally dawn in Finland during winter months, if we're gonna be pedantic about this. And you don't even need to go to into the polar circle. About halfway to 2/3rds up Finland would be enough for dawn to be around 11.30 during winter.
I would wager that for a lot people on Lemmy, 15.00 is closer to their wakeup time than bedtime.
Well, direct the pedantry to yourself because you're the one using 'dawn' that way, I just used your own term back to you quoting your words used:
You did not say CLOSER to dawn. You said take it at dawn than dusk.
There's other reasons I think this, having to do with calcium, osteocalcin, movement, and vitamin k/food.
Morning is different from dawn.
Dawn is when the sun rises. Morning is when you rise.
Oh we were having some sort or a pedant-off contest here, I didn't actually say "AT dawn". I meant to write "closer to" in there as well, but either I fucked it up with typing on mobile or I'm just so high my brain skipped a few words. Both have been known to happen on Saturday evenings.
Oh yeah there's a hundred other things there as well, but *studies SEEM to indicate that you shouldn't take vitamin d at night / in the evening / close to your bedtime. And since our organs also have circadian rhythms or function on oir circadian rhythm and it takes a while to ingest all of the supplement, perhaps a bit before a bit before your bedtime? Perhaps like, make it a routine to do it nearer the beginning of the day than the end of the day.
Science seems to agree.
You have to use the actual words you mean, I can't hallucinate your real meaning from thin air. People make typos, you made one, whatever. Just admit it was a mistake and move on instead of blaming ME lol, it's so... lol.
Lol that is not what morning means. Morning is early morning to noon. You wouldn't wake up at 2pm and insist the time of day is morning, even if you can say it's YOUR morning and I understand that you mean you just woke up because it's a common joke about late sleepers saying "morning" when it's later.
I said to take vitamin D at midday. Never did I say to take it at night. You brought up taking a dose at night (probably to educate readers) when no one else has been saying to do so, certainly not me. The argument therefore isn't: take before bed or take right when you wake up, the argument is: take midday or take right when you wake up.
You also can't arbitrarily claim I've said something I've not said.
I'm a human, as you probably guess, and thus, fallible. I did admit to having made a mistake. The mistake was either in my fingers or my brain, but yeah, I definitely admitted to it being "my bad". Maybe you skipped words when reading said comment, because you too, are human, and thus, fallible?
Oh we're arguing the prescriptive meaning of "morning"? Cool. To me. Because It allows me to pedantically correct you, which you hate, because you're just being a lil' contrarian.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description
Morning is used to indicate "hello people, I've recently woken up", even when it's not actually morning. Like if someone wakes up, even it's during the evening, but in an inappropriate place (ie someone dosed off somewhere), their friend make say "good morning, sleepyhead" when they wake up. Why's that, then? You just strictly defined what morning means, so it can't be used in other contexts. Oh wait, right, that's only if you're linguistically prescriptive. Which no academic linguists are, because that's not how language gets used in the real world.
Where we are.
Ever worked a shift job? In those too, you'd find people talking about "in the morning" as the time of day they woke up, even when theyre working a night shift. But also, they might at the same time say "when I got home in the morning", because that's equally valid language usage. Because language is not prescriptive.
No, you're now rounding up to midday, so you don't have to argue the science over that anymore. You said "midday or later in the day".
No, not "later in the day" exactly for the reasons mentioned. Despite never actually saying you have to take it the moment you wake up.
I can share my anecdotal experience though, which is that if you have to wake up 4 hours before dawn actually comes to go to work to drive people to buses and trains and then kids to school, I very much feel that vitamin D does perk me up in the morning. But with how large placebo is and how hard it is to quantify fatigue in general, that is purely anecdotal, not claiming it as any sort of evidence. But seems to help to wake up in a different way than caffeine, which basically just increases heartrate. (And no, that isn't all it does, I'm exaggerating. That's why I put down "basically", because I don't mean the sentence following it literally.)
And no, I didn't proofread this and am sure there are more mistakes in it as well. Typos mostly I think but I'm not above skipping a word on accident. Ambien is a helluva drug. Although I'm not yet on today. Or am I and just forgot I took some? Might be. I've noticed it's not terribly good for my memory.
Edit yeah in my first comment I did advice that if one supplements vitamin D, one shouldn't probably do it in the evening. Then I exaggerated with comparing it to an antidote to melatonin to simplify the reason.
And lo behold, here we are a half a dozen essays later talking about it so I could've prolly saved time by actually detailing the first answer, but I wasn't assuming such prescription
Jesus, I can tell by the length of this post it is a narcissistic reaction to shame of being corrected/wrong. Pathetic.
You literally said it. I quoted it. It wasn't arbitrary. Pathetic lol
I didn't skip any words, you did. When you wrote it. It's been quoted.
Look up denotative meaning. The denotative meaning and general meaning of morning is as previously described. I already explained it is a JOKE to say "Good morning" in the afternoon when someone wakes up, it is IRONY. It ONLY WORKS as a joke and irony BECAUSE it isn't ACTUALLY morning.
They don't say THE morning, they say MY morning, as in, relative to them. Again, going off the ironic usage of this phrase. Further, we were NEVER talking about shift work.
You started this off being randomly contrarian so you're projecting there.
If I call you stupid, or if I call you NOT stupid - that one little word makes a big difference, right? It's like, words matter, I can't just hallucinate what you mean. You have to say it, this is obvious and pathetic you are bellyaching about it.
Again, no one said to give it in the evening.
Gonna also tell you that Ambien causes dementia. If you are genuinely feeling confused, you may want to go to the doctor, not being a dick about it.
Your brain read it as "at dawn" but there was never an "at" there. My brain just jumped over a few words. Just like you can find in most my comments from the past few hours most likely.
There still isn't an "at" before the "dawn" in either the comment I made nor in the quote where you quoted it.
Read. It. Again.
"best to take it dawn" because there never was an intention to put "at" there, you just assumed so, because it makes the most sense in that sentence, which lack the words "closer to". Which I thought I put in there. Like I said several times.
But yeah, about this pedanticism and being pissed off by being proved so utterly seriously wrong when you thought you were being smart? And repeatedly? Yeah. Not a good look on you. Ever heard of psychological projection?
"Look up.."
See, unconsciously projecting again. This is telling me you actually did need to Google th3 concepts I talked about. Why would I need to look up the word? The word in itself expresses what it means and the context you use it specifies it.
Oh no. It also works as a joke. I put that in there to clear it up for you. Clearly you've never worked a shift-job in your life. People occasionally, but most definitely use "morning" to refer to the point of the day when they woke up, even when it's not even remotely close to dawn. And I'd like to see you try to prove my lived experience of using language in that way with other people as... not having happened? Saying it's not how we used language? Or.. trying to tell me I'm not allowed to use language like that?
And yes, it's "the morning". As in "shit I almost couldn't get up in the morning" not "shit I almost couldn't get up in MY morning". Lol.
Sounds awfully like prescriptive linguistics. Something that doesn't belong in the 21st century.
Sooorry. ;>
What specifically do you think I was being against in my first comment in this thread? Are we sure we're not just using buzzwords we just learned, hmm..?
It's a very well known fact. Late night hosts have been using it as a joke for like 30 years. Quite precisely actually. Came out in -92 and took a while before the celebs started having problems with them. Edit, well the acute memory loss part as a joke, that is. the actually causing dementia long term is fresher research
Skipping a word or two when I write a Saturday might comment on a mobile while on the shitter is hardly a sign of anything to remotely worried for. Lol.
I literally specifically agree with you in my first comment then add the info that if someone takes vitamin D, it probably shouldn't be at night according to current, non-definitive, research. I begin the comment by saying "true", lol.
Perhaps check the definition of "contrarian* again, huh?
Lol!!!! Please know I am not angry, I am laughing at you.
Everything you said here was some cope, I think your ego and narcissism isn't worth my time, the strawman arguments in there certainly aren't.
https://www.albert.io/blog/connotation-vs-denotation-understanding-word-choice/
You were giving a denotative definition of morning originally, not a connotative one. This has nothing to do with prescribing language, but describing it. The ways we describe words can be connotative or denotative.
This isn't true though, morning is more than that (and most peoplewould not give this definition for morning at all). If I say "tomorrow early morning," or "at 5 in the morning" a night shift worker knows the time of day I am referencing. Further, night shift workers weren't being discussed.
You are absolutely projecting the contrarian thing.
Btw the existence of the "at" does not change the meaning from "best take it dawn than dusk." It means the same thing without the article.
You're clearly spending a lot of time trying to avoid any and all mistakes, whereas I willfully admit to mine.
You're just spouting buzzwords now, tbh.
You were mistaken. Several times. You imagined an "at" where there was none.
Yeah the word has more meanings. Feel free to use it however you like, and if you hit on a popular way to use it, it might break into common usage.
Shift workers use the word just like I said we did. What's not to understand?
Yes. Because language is descriptive, not prescriptive and they understand the context. Just like their coworkers would understand "oh shit, rough morning" when coming into work into a night shift wouldn't prompt fellow coworker to ask "why, did you have trouble getting home?" because both night shift workers would share the ssme "clock".
That's why you can literally use "literally" as emphasis, and it's perfectly acceptable.
Kinda weird, seeing as most of my comments I'm admitting and agreeing with you, whereas you're avoiding 90% the content I write, because you hate admitting to mistakes. I don't, and that's probably why I'm so much smarter.
Might night dear ^^
Seems like, you, as a narcissist, need to undo your shame from your mistake by claiming I did the same thing.
The "at" doesn't change the meaning of the sentence (eg you are stupid vs you are not stupid). It isn't equivalent, and wasn't a direct quote - paraphrasing. Why did I paraphrase? Well, because I had JUST directly quoted you right above that. The section before it (iirc it was the previous sentence) was me quoting you exactly. And it was a correct paraphrase, because it didn't change the meaning of the original statement. That's why I wrote it, to emphasize the meaning of the original statement as it was written.
Exactly, the context wasn't shift workers. It was times of day. You actually admit to this by saying:
This established your use of the word morning to mean the traditonal daily time, and that you use "my morning" to differentiate that. Then later you changed the definition. Further, I was emphasizing for others reading this about dawn/morning and vitamin D - and already explained that in relative time, vitamin D should be taken after you've moved around, due to how it works with calcium, osteocalcin, etc. You didn't care to discuss the relative schedule though. Btw taking vitamin D when you haven't had calcium can cause issues with your parathyroid. This is a big part of why I wouldn't recommend it first thing.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/vitamin-d-and-calcium
I don't hate admitting mistakes (more projection by you), I just think you're wrong and fragile lol
Projecting so hard.
What shame is there for me? I've admitted from the very first time you posted that quote which didn't have "at" before "dawn" that my intention was always to write "closer to" in the sentence.
So then it becomes comparing "closer to dawn" to "at dawn" and those two are different, because never was there ever an intention to say "at dawn". How do I know this? Because even in the comment I immediately reply to you, I say, "I said closer to dawn, not 'at dawn'", not realising I had indeed skipped wiring "closer" to.
I have no problems admitting to my mistakes, but you're still avoiding the fact that you claimed there is an "at" in the original one, then thinking you wrote one when you copied it, when you in fact again just skipped a word and assumed it was there, which is basically the exact same brain fart my brain did when writing it.
Who cares about some small typo? You apparently. And you call me a contrarian, despite you disagreeing with literally everything I write, even when I write I'm agreeing with you, like I wrote from the very start.
Yeah. As it was written. But you didn't read it as it was written, you read it as "at dawn", which shows from your incessant whining that you didn't skip a word and you're a flawless infallible princess.
So you don't think shift workers have the ability to discuss time of day? You don't think a word can be used in two different contexts? Is this honestly the first time you've even pretended to understand linguistics?
"MY norm is THE norm"
Kek go have some real world experience, pls.
No, I used the same word to refer to a different thing. Half-jokingly, I might add, but you don't seem to have a sense of humour, so wasted words.
And just because a thing is a joke doesn't make it unacceptable use of language. Or are you trying to say I'm "not allowed to joke"? Bshh, I thought you couldn't get more prescriptive but you're just doubling down.
No you weren't. You INSTANTLY countered my "you probably shouldn't take it at night" with "NUH-UH, YOU SHOULD TAKE IT AT MIDDAY OR LATER IN THE DAY."
Because you're a pathological contrarian who couldn't help themselves before even checking the facts. Then when I slapped sourced studies to the table, you got ashamed of having been a lil bit pretentious, and started moving your goalposts and avoiding that you've made any mistakes, ever.
While I kept agreeing with a lot of what you said, (since I'm not a pathological contrarian,) you just keep avoiding admitting to having skipped a word whole reading. Ie you're avoiding admitting to the exact thing I admitted to from the moment I noticed it.
See just how much better a person I am? ;>
I could say "the sky is blue" or "gravity works everywhere" or "the speed of light in a vacuum is fixed" and you'd still probably argue those points. Have you thought about CBT? I've a lovely therapist who I've been with for more than a year.
If you don't hate admitting to mistakes, then you admit you misread my comment and then proceeded to misread it a couple times after, when you demanded "I haven't skipped any words"
When you clearly have.
See. Me saying I said "closer to", because I genuinely believed that, as it was my intention when writing it, which is why there is no "AT" there, is there? Despite you loudly proclaiming there is. Where is it?
Enjoy your day. ;>
Ahaha. After I called you out on getting upset and starting to hurl insult without any arguments in your comment, you go back and make it three times as long.
Kinda pathetic, really, because it means that the person who you're most lying to in this thread is yourself, as you know people can see my comments and the screencaps I've shared.
You honestly should consider therapy with all I've seen you display here. You're getting all bent out of shape over a silly mistake you made and now pathetically attempting to insult me, as if I was on the level of getting upset by name calling. What do you think I am, 20?
Where's the "at" at? Where's your answer to me asking several times where the "at" is? Clearly you're not incapable of making mistakes, (no-one is,) but are you also incapable of admitting to mistakes?
Seems so, honestly.
Edit so heres the original unedited reply from you:
Oh whoops confused which part of the thread I was in lol. My MISTAKE. (see it's not so hard). Going in 20 layers deep on mobile? That is hard have to turn it landscape to even see a part of the comments dmn
Ok, have fun with your Ambien dementia and parathyroid issues, shrimpy
You're the one who keeps going back to edit their comments, lol.
It says a lot about people when their lies are so bad. Either you think everyone else is stupid as fuck, which is a sign you're not all that intelligent (lack of cognitive empathy), or you're sorely trying to lie to yourself.
To be honest, I think it's both.
That's why you can't admit to your mistakes, and why you think your silly litle insults harm me. Notice how I've not insulted you even once. Patronised? Perhaps. Straight up childish name calling? Nah.
Because I'm not a garbage person like you. A person who can't admit to mistakes and has to pretend to know about things they know fuck all. Like vitamin D supplements and when to take them. And then they're just naturally so contrarian that when someone says "oh btw, don't take the supplement at night" to "take midday or later in the day", and then gets sore when someone points out how full of bullshit they are. ;>
Where's the "at" at? Where's your answer which you definitely had in here, right? Because you're not a totally-pathetic mistake-avoiding contrarian, right?
Classic shrimpy
Yeah, then it devolves into you spamming oneliners.
As in, the conversation I've had a billion times. You're clearly through with discussing the matter, have been for a long time.
But since you're a pathological contrarian and a (wnb) besserwisser, you can't stop replying, despite your replies now being repeating "shrimp" lol.
You know how you start remembering people on Lemmy, because the circles are so small?
Yeah, I used to think you were one of the better users here whenever I saw some of your comments, but, clearly not. Utterly childish, and I've managed to reduce you to that in a matter of days.
You know why you keep repeating "shrimpy" and nothing else? Because you can't, help but projecting. You seriously can't help it (you're tilted and don't have control, your ego is taking you for a ride).
And do you know what is kinda strongly coming through here? Feelings of inadequacy. It's alright that you skipped a word while reading my comment, because everyone makes mistakes.
It's not alright to pretend like you don't make mistakes & act like a petulant child, just because someone points out a small mistake you made. Idk what age you really are, but if you ever want any sort of higher ed, you're gonna need to be able to own up to mistake and work in a group setting.
But you seriously find it impossible to own up to a tiny mistake, to a pseudorandom person online? Ufff. For your sake I hope your still a teenager. It'd be nasty if you were this simple in your adult life, wouldn't it?
Feel free to try to prove me wrong. ;>
You can call me that, yeah. And everyone visiting your profile will see it.
I genuinely used to think you were an intellectual. You end up remembering names on Lemmy. But now you're acting like this?
It's beyond hilarious.
All because you're having a tantrum and can't admit you made a small little mistake of skipping a word when reading a comment?
Look at what you're doing.
But you won't. I've got you so tilted and mad that there's no way you'd ever give in and stop replying. I know this out of experience. People like you never do. So at this point all I need to do to make you lode your mind is point out that you're literally devolving before everyone's eyes.
It'll evolve into you just not even using sentences and just spamming "shrimpy". And I don't give up. So as long as you keep doing that, I will keep replying in full comments. And it will drive you mad. Because you simply can't address the earlier thread, because it would prove you're mistaken, and you **just can't have that. **
Where's the "at" at?
Have you thought about what your limit for this tantrum is?
How many times a day, for how long? Like I told you, I've seen the exact sort of tilt you're in rn a bazillion times.
And I alway win them. The only way for you to even draw is to admit to your mistakes, which you won't do now that I've said it.
And this is all due to your pathological need to be a contrarian. Which I point out, what, several days ago? Haha.
Thanks for proving me right with every single reply.
You just skipped a word while reading. Yet you're going on a days long pathetic tantrum which will be public for anyone looking at your profile.
So you're not gonna be able to tell people off on much after acting like such a petulant child. Well, you can, but it'll be hilarious how little credibility you will have. :D
#Where's the 'at' at? ;>
You literally can't do anything expect spam the same oneliner, just like I said. I don't think you believe me when I said I've seen this a million times since the 90's.
I have a few ways of making you even more mad, but I'm gonna save them for week 2 if you make it that far. You won't. You're a pathological contrarian and a quitter.
Enjoy. <3
ps honestly if you're that obsessed with my cock, you can buy a dickpic. Only 50€. But with the Russian economy probably too much for you, hahaha.
Edit 2 I had skipped writing "that" when writing the sentence "if you make it (that) far". You know, just like I did with the words "closer to" when writing "closer to dawn", which then made you erroneously think I had written "at dawn"? Remembered that? Do you? Heheheh
So now when I confront you directly about how you're literally unable to admit to your mistakes, you stop replying completely. For the past few replies you've had personal insults there, and you've chosen your username yourself.
Which is why I put that slight provocation there, because you've clearly left out "Maid" on purpose.
And the I very clearly gave you a chance to admit to your mistakes.
And you chose the obtuse "I'm gonna keep trying to insult you while not being able to admit I erred when I thought there was an 'at' in your comment.
So you're literally pretending to be infallible, despite everyone being able to read the earlier comments. Especially mine, which haven't been edited.
But you love admitting to mistakes and would never try to avoid them while projecting all sorts? Nah. Never.
No, it's been explained. I don't need to repeat myself. You can go back and read it, shrimpy.
Your image confirmed what I said too, btw, shrimpy.
Yes, ofc, you ve definitely addressed the thing you're still avoiding?
You quoted me to myself. Now quote me some you, please, and not from a comment you've just edited, okay?
Your brain did the exact same thing when reading the sentence what mine did wheb writing it; skipped some words.
I'm able to admit I made a mistake. You are not. And that's pissing you the fuck off, which is making you repeat what I guess must be offensive where you live or to people who you hang around with. I'm guessing from context you're trying to say I have a tiny cock. After calling me a misogynist? That's pretty hypocritical, don't you think?
How annoying do you find it that I'm not at all bothered by your insults, just like I'm not bothered about admitting to my mistakes when I make them. Like when I skipped a few words a day ago. Which I instantly admitted to, but which you can't admit to, despite doing the same thing.
;>
I disagree, I have explained thoroughly.
Try getting a bone scan, taking vitamin D can cause bone loss, shrimpy
You haven't, and everyone can see it.
You're simply agitated I corrected your mistakes. Something which you pretend you don't do.
All humans make mistakes, but you can't admit to yours out of a childish sense of "nuh-uh, I'm not wrong" even when someone added info instead of arguing against you.
This is how these deeper threads appear on sync btw. I'm thinking you're probably on a desktop. You seem like the type, if you know what I mean. :D
Anyway, I've had basically this exact conversation about 10000 times with people online for the past 20 years at least. It's always the same thing; you make a mistake, you get angry I point it out and "attack" (with pathetic attempts at name calling, while not even being creative) while not being able to even touch on what the subject actually was and rhe mistakes you made; since you're pretending like you don't make any, which is.. hilariously childish.
He, if you want to see a dick pick, ask nicely just like everyone else. It's not free though. Also I'm gonna need some ID first cause I'm not interested in sending sexual material to minors.
Where's the "at" at? ;>
Shrimpy, lol, sad
Yeah, then it devolves into you spamming oneliners.
As in, the conversation I've had a billion times. You're clearly through with discussing the matter, have been for a long time.
But since you're a pathological contrarian and a (wnb) besserwisser, you can't stop replying, despite your replies now being repeating "shrimp" lol.
You know how you start remembering people on Lemmy, because the circles are so small?
Yeah, I used to think you were one of the better users here whenever I saw some of your comments, but, clearly not. Utterly childish, and I've managed to reduce you to that in a matter of days.
You know why you keep repeating "shrimpy" and nothing else? Because you can't, help but projecting. You seriously can't help it (you're tilted and don't have control, your ego is taking you for a ride).
And do you know what is kinda strongly coming through here? Feelings of inadequacy. It's alright that you skipped a word while reading my comment, because everyone makes mistakes.
It's not alright to pretend like you don't make mistakes & act like a petulant child, just because someone points out a small mistake you made. Idk what age you really are, but if you ever want any sort of higher ed, you're gonna need to be able to own up to mistake and work in a group setting.
But you seriously find it impossible to own up to a tiny mistake, to a pseudorandom person online? Ufff. For your sake I hope your still a teenager. It'd be nasty if you were this simple in your adult life, wouldn't it?
You haven't disagreed with anyone.
You're just trying to pretend you're infallible. You can not make mistakes. You're literally pretending like that's the case, and I know it feels like that for people your age.
And that's why you need to learn this lesson. You can get angry all you want, but there's nothing you can do or say that would remotely affect my emotions. Unlike the other way around. Me just asking "wheres the 'at' at, princess", raises your blood pressure by like 20 units. And you know it does.
That's why you keep returning here spamming a oneliner, just like I said you would, days ago. Proving me right, again. Just like I been all along.
I didn't write "at dawn", ever, but you thought I did. You even thought I did **after I said I didn't, after I proved I didn't. Hell, you yourself quoted the quote without the word and then wrote "I HAVEN'T SKIPPED ANY WORDS, because you're incapable of admitting to mistakes.
So now it's just to watch you get more and more pathetic.
Go on. ;>
See before; you won't be able to address anything in the thread, definitely not the mistakes you made that you're so cringely avoiding, you'll just devolve into spamming the same thing over and over again.
Which is quite my point. You're literally unable to speak about let alone admit to a tiny mistake you've made.
Speaks loads to everyone visiting your profile that you go around accusing people or sexism and ableism, then think calling someone "smallpenis" is the worst insult you can come up with?
Genuinely tells so much about you.
Like how you're just seething there. Must be annoying, your country going to the shitter while a Finn sitting on the shitter absolutely shits on you rhetorically.
Prove me wrong at any point in time and address what I'm talking about; why are you pretending you didn't accidentally skip a word, when you very clearly did?
Thank you come again! ;>
See, we're there.
You can't do nothing but spam the same oneliner. You can't address why you're in the thread, because it would mean admitting you're not infallible.
And everyone knows you are. Firstly because every non - delusional person knows everyone makes mistakes and secondly because well, I keep posting your mistake over and over.
Like so!
Cat got your tongue? "I love admitting to my mistakes." she said. Weirdly she's had a three-day tantrum to avoid admitting that she imagined a word where there was none, when all the evidence shows she definitely made a boo-boo. ^^^
You do realise you've completely ruined any sort of credibility your profile has, permanently?
Just because you can't say "yeah I made a mistake, what of it", like I did the moment you pointed to my mistake.
That's why I'm the better person, and everyone can see it. And will be able to as long as the internet stands. Thanks. ;>