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‘Men don’t know why they became unhappy’: the toxic gender war dividing South Korea
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 20 Sep 2025
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As a man, I have experienced the exact opposite.
When I have seen women unhappy, entire communities have come together to help them. White knights, in particular, fall all over themselves to help her.
When I have seen men unhappy, it’s invariably accompanied by women saying, “so fucking what? Man up, you baby.”
Sure, those men who understand how to help also reach out to assist unhappy men. But they do their best to avoid doing so in the presence of women, otherwise that “un-manliness” gets infected over to them as well like a miasma, and news of that percolates throughout the wider social group. It never ends well for any man who visibly assists, unless they’re wearing a uniform in an official capacity.
Maybe you need different friends. I certainly don’t get that reaction from my social group.
Removing all women from my social sphere seems to be just a little bit extreme…
Where the fuck do you live, Afghanistan?
"Women get whatever they want", "white knights", "men can only help other men behind the scenes, otherwise people start avoiding them" - honestly, that sounds like toxic manosphere shit.
Direct observation of interpersonal interactions in the community at large can be one hell of a superpower for anyone dedicated to evidence and facts. It’s why I prefer it, myself.
And you can do better than strawman attacks and claiming things I never said. Or will you double down and let fly with a full-on ad hominem next? You already came close with that last bullshit line.
Can you provide some evidence and facts to back up your statements?
Ah, an angry, argumentative pseudo-intellectual. I don't think further conversation with you will add anything to my life, so I'm blocking you now. Goodbye.
Now THAT is a proper, intellectually bankrupt ad hominem.
You really have nothing anvailable, other than personal attacks, do you? Feelings before facts, I suppose -- it fits the pattern.
Yeah, "white knight" is usually a dead giveaway.
How so? Especially since the term has been in common use since the 17th century. That’s a good 400+ years, now.
I can't tell if this is bad faith or hopelessly misguided. The historical use of "white knight" (a folkloric or literary trope) has nothing to do with the usage you used here.
People who use it as you used it, in my experience, usually have a "manospheric" pespective on gender interactions, with an assumption of combatitive, winners and losers based behaviour from both sides.
Nope. North America. It’s where this is most frequently seen.
In fact, men supporting men is a lot better in Islam than it is in western culture. You can hug other men and talk about insecurities with each other far more freely there. It’s homosexuality, specifically, that they have an issue with.
Maybe you should move to Afghanistan? Your community sounds fucked beyond belief. And I can assure it isn't the norm in most parts of the world.
I’m not responsible for the anti-male gender bigotries that others hold.
As an egalitarianist I’ll call it out when I have the opportunity to do so, but I’m staying right where I am, thanks.
What a hero.