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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Good, this is what America should be about. It doesn't mean all people the right will act in kind, nor people on the left, but the resolution was about condemning violence & extremism on both sides, and not using it as a tool to censor others:

Whereas the assassination of Charlie Kirk was not only a heinous act of violence, but a sobering reminder of the growing threat posed by political extremism and hatred in our society;

Whereas such acts of politically motivated violence are antithetical to the principles of a free republic, in which differences of opinion are to be debated—not silenced—with civility, reason, and mutual respect;

Whereas the rise in targeted violence against individuals for their political beliefs undermines the very fabric of our constitutional democracy and chills the free exchange of ideas essential to a healthy civic society;

Whereas leaders at every level—government, education, media, and beyond—must stand united in unequivocal condemnation of political violence, regardless of their ideology;

Whereas the tragic loss of Charlie Kirk must not be allowed to deepen the divides in our Nation, but instead serve as a turning point to recommit ourselves to better angels, and to the timeless American principles of liberty governed by truth and the virtues of peaceful dialogue; and

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I do find some of the language in this inflammatory. I don't think I could have voted for this. Here is the full text rather than only the unobjectionable part.

  • Whereas Charles “Charlie” James Kirk, born October 14, 1993, was a courageous American patriot, whose life was tragically and unjustly cut short in an act of political violence on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University;
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk was a devoted Christian, who boldly lived out his faith with conviction, courage, and compassion;
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk was a dedicated husband to his beloved wife, Erika Kirk, and a loving father to their daughter and son, exemplifying the virtues of faith, fidelity, and fatherhood;
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk was a fierce defender of the American founding and its timeless principles of life, liberty, limited government, and individual responsibility;
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk, at 18 years old, founded Turning Point USA in 2012, a student movement with the mission to “identify, educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government”;
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk became one of the most prominent voices in America, engaging in respectful, civil discourse across college campuses, media platforms, and national forums, always seeking to elevate truth, foster understanding, and strengthen the Republic;
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk personified the values of the First Amendment, exercising his God-given right to speak freely, challenge prevailing narratives, and did so with honor, courage, and respect for his fellow Americans;
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk’s commitment to civil discussion and debate stood as a model for young Americans across the political spectrum, and he worked tirelessly to promote unity without compromising on conviction;
  • Whereas the assassination of Charlie Kirk was not only a heinous act of violence, but a sobering reminder of the growing threat posed by political extremism and hatred in our society;
  • Whereas such acts of politically motivated violence are antithetical to the principles of a free republic, in which differences of opinion are to be debated—not silenced—with civility, reason, and mutual respect;
  • Whereas the rise in targeted violence against individuals for their political beliefs undermines the very fabric of our constitutional democracy and chills the free exchange of ideas essential to a healthy civic society;
  • Whereas leaders at every level—government, education, media, and beyond—must stand united in unequivocal condemnation of political violence, regardless of their ideology;
  • Whereas the tragic loss of Charlie Kirk must not be allowed to deepen the divides in our Nation, but instead serve as a turning point to recommit ourselves to better angels, and to the timeless American principles of liberty governed by truth and the virtues of peaceful dialogue; and
  • Whereas Charlie Kirk would not have us respond to his death with despair, but rather with renewed purpose—to speak truth with courage, to stand firm in faith, to seek unity while standing firm in principle, and to serve as living reminders of the values he championed: faith, family, and freedom: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) condemns in the strongest possible terms the assassination of Charles “Charlie” James Kirk, and all forms of political violence;

(2) commends and honors the dedicated law enforcement and emergency personnel for their tireless efforts in finding the suspect responsible for the assassination of Charlie Kirk and urges the administration of swift justice to the suspect;

(3) extends its deepest condolences and sympathies to Charlie Kirk’s family, including his wife, Erika, and their two young children, and prays for comfort, peace, and healing in this time of unspeakable loss;

(4) honors the life, leadership, and legacy of Charlie Kirk, whose steadfast dedication to the Constitution, civil discourse, and Biblical truth inspired a generation to cherish and defend the blessings of liberty; and

(5) calls upon all Americans—regardless of race, party affiliation, or creed—to reject political violence, recommit to respectful debate, uphold American values, and respect one another as fellow Americans.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck that nazi and none of that was worth voting for. Also McBride? What fuck woman she will be one of the first hauled off when they begin rounding up trans people. What fuck is wrong with them? All these Democrats who voted for this? We had actual elected Democratic Representative shot dead in her home! Fucking didn't even stay in the news that long

Shit it wasn't even that long ago.

Melissa Hortman was her name. Where is the bill honoring her birthday? Huh why we not forcing schools to build statues of her? Every fucking Democrat should have been evoking her name in protest to this bill. They should have filibuster for 12 fucking hours discussing Melissa life and accomplishments.

If you live in any of their districts make it clear you will not vote for them (if we even have elections anymore) we need to send a message they caving to nazi and fascist will not be tolerated.

For me October 14th is George Floyds birthday and I am going celebrate him! Fuck Charlie Kirk. I want waste my time even thinking about him that day. If I lived where he did I go piss on his grave.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you look at what the actual honoring is calling for, there is a lot of non-partisan good things there that ultimately aim for a goal that is opposed to political violence on both sides.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree, there are a lot of good parts to this, but I would struggle to accept other parts. I would be conflicted were I in a position to vote on it. I especially don't think that Kirk's legacy is worth celebrating.

At this point Dems need to be voting against absolutely everything put forward by the republicans. They need to demonstrate to people that they aren't the problem. If they don't then they are part of the problem. Working with the republicans on anything is completely inexcusable at this point.

[–] Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The problem with just condemning violence "on both sides" is that you are buying into the right-wing framing that violence from the left and the right are in any way equivocal. That the left calling the fascist things the wannabe fascist president is doing fascist is in any way equivalent to the right saying immigrants are invading the country, or that trans people are groomers that are abusing kids, or that homeless people should be euthanized.

From just a quick PBS article I found with like 5 minutes of looking:

Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.

"Both sides" do not bear anywhere near the same level of responsibility for the current state of political violence in this country.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why is it a problem for you to condemn political violence? Either you oppose it or you don't, end of story. If someone asked you condemn sexual assault, would you do it or claim the prob with condemning it is people still voted for Trump?

I never said not to condemn political violence. I said not to accept right wing framing when you do. They are trying to pretend like 80% of extremist political violence isn't committed by right wingers.

The left calling the fascist actions of the wannabe dictator president fascist is not the same as the right calling all undocumented immigrants violent criminal invaders, or trans people vile pedophile groomers.

You fucking clown.