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Do you have any examples of the Nihilism? I'm struggling to think of any... In fact Season 3 was about maintaining optimism and faith in the strength of the Federation against unbelievable odds.
Khan, Gul Dukat and the Clown from Voyager were all in Discovery?
I agree that there was a main character, but I also enjoy a lot of media with a main character so I don't see that as a bad thing.
I suggest you avoid watching TNG and TOS because they do the same thing!
I don't have much time to respond so I'm going to just hit one bullet for now:
Are you going to try to argue that Khan and Gul Dukat weren't given nuance and development? Some of the things that made them such compelling antagonists is that we were given insight into their motives and backgrounds and perspectives. Khan absolutely was nuanced and the persecution and illegality of genetically enhanced humans was a great stepping off point for him. Just about every antagonist that pops up in Star Trek gets some kind of explanation why they are doing the things they are doing, and the crew takes a moment to acknowledge their inherent worth as living beings and, if they're sentient, discuss possibilities for negotiations or nonviolence. I haven't forgotten that Klingons, Ferengi, Borg, Cardassians and many others start off as villains, but we are given many opportunities for them to be "humanized" through characters like Worf, Quark, Hugh/Seven, Garak and others. There are no "good" or "bad" aliens in Star Trek.
So keeping that in mind, how did things go with the Ba'Ul? How did they handle Control? What nuance was Lorca given? In Discovery, your first impression of a bad guy being bad is always correct.
You didn't say Discovery villains didn't "have nuance and development". So no, I didn't say that either.
Maybe you drew too fast shot yourself in the foot?
Gul Dukat is arguably the most wellformed villain in ST canon. He is a delusional maniac pursuing a twisted vision of greatness. He even works alongside our heroes for a time!
Can I offer you an Armus instead?
I agree that Gul Dukat is a delusional maniac! The guy I replied to said that only Discovery had such characters. But that said I will gladly accept your Armus!