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Do some people just regurgitate arguments blindly? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 week ago by King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I notice this with people talking about capitalism, obviously, but honestly what drove me to make this post is the attempted arguments against veganism. They're basically 95% unoriginal and fail under the most basic of scrutiny.

Take, for example, "not eating the meat won't bring the cow back." Under basically any logical scrutiny, this is a clear double standard to any other purchasing decision in capitalist society, and doesn't really make any sense. But I've seen in so many times over the years, so much so that im planning on becoming a vegan over a period of time. Not because of any arguments vegans make, but because somehow pro-meat eaters are losing a debate to a brick wall, and the conclusions I've made myself have convinced myself that I should be vegan. And I'm really starting to ask, do people just...like...ctrl+c ctrl+v arguments in their head?

I...try to be nice. But...how little respect to your own ability do you have if you do that? Not only to justify something you really don't have to, but something you obviously dont care about. I mean...sorry, it's just baffling to me.

In the words of Kim Kitsuragi from disco elysium, "I dont understand officer...please, help me understand"

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[–] NotMushroomForDebate@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What does this odd diatribe have anything to do with organisation methods and the efficacy of organisations? You stated that you believe that the vegan movement was not organised, which is what I was responding to.
I'm not interested in debating veganism itself with people online, so I won't respond to the old tired anti-vegan arguments.

Organised effort doesnt mean a few thousand people in a community harrassing people or breaking into factories, it means a majority who will impose their will over a minority.

Ignoring the mischaracterisation, this is a very dogmatic and unreflected assertion. Is fighting for minority rights, for example, a case of a "majority imposing their will over a minority"? This is simply class reductionism, which not tolerated in any serious ML org or party.

This is what separates liberal thinking which believes that a few hundred vegans in a city are going to make a change with their individual efforts

I've already demonstrated that there are large organised efforts tackling specific systemic issues and challenges. In what way are these "individual efforts" of a few hundred people? What do you believe organising looks like?

I thought you had specific concerns regarding some methods of organising and their effectiveness, or would have appreciated learning more about a movement you might otherwise not be very informed on. It seems you're only interested in airing grievances and pushing reactionary rhetoric.