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Is there an "updated" version of Engels's Origin of Family, etc. (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 3 days ago by King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzhou@lemmygrad.ml

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The work is good and from what I can tell, the points about the discussion on the State (which is the basis for Lenin's thesis in State and Revolution), seem solid. But a lot of the family stuff seems...I don't know. I was never taught that stuff and I really have no anthropological background to begin researching such stuff, and I know Engels wrote it based on the very start of (respectable) anthropology.

Basically what I'm asking is, is it still accurate and just not accepted by most people because Marxism (Similar to the LTV and such), or is it outdated? And if it's the latter, is there a more up to date source, and what does it change about Marxist thinking of pre-capitalist society?

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[–] durduramayacaklar@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

David Graeber’s The Dawn of Everything is very anti-Marxist. Also, he’s an anarchist and a revisionist in archeology.

[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

can you expand further on that?

[–] durduramayacaklar@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Book’s main idea is “Lack of imagination isn’t an argument” the most idealistic and anarchic argument that I ever seen and he clearly rejects the materialism and organization.

[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i'll be honest, i don't know what you mean by that

[–] durduramayacaklar@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Have you ever read the book? If you did can you tell me the main argument on that book

[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

lol yes i listened to the audiobook. the main argument seems to be "contemporary western understandings of early 'civilization' is flawed as the types of societies that existed were varied and different". Not sure what you're trying to get at with your comment, I was merely asking for further explanation what you mean

[–] durduramayacaklar@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

That book is very idealistic not materialistic. He is literally saying that “you change the society by thinking”. He can’t be in a Marxist anthropology section. Another thing is he points so many issues at the same time but doesn’t explain them. My point is that he’s an anarchist and can’t be in a Marxist literature. Also, he’s very anti-Marxist.

LACK OF IMAGINATION IS NOT AN ARGUMENT That’s the main idea of the book which we reject because of the materialism

[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Uh, oookay regardless, there is a lot interesting anthropological/archaeological information in the book.

[–] durduramayacaklar@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago

There are too many “what abouts,” “ifs,” and “maybes” too much speculation without evidence. If you’re familiar with archaeological arguments, you can see they’re being revised without clear proof or proper research. At one point the book even says, “We did occupy Wall Street and we stopped neoliberalism.” That shows it’s more about a political movement than science. Reading it felt like reading Proudhon.