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Hi, has anyone compared these head to head? I like the idea that the Forester has an available manual transmission. The Mazda looks reliable and very fun to drive. The frontend/grille looks kinda stupid.

We're in very rural northern Vermont with quite a few dirt roads, usually but not always pretty well maintained.

Car dealerships aren't close by. The Subaru dealer is just under an hour drive, the Mazda/Volkswagen dealership just over an hour and a half each way. Locally we have Ford, GMC/Chevy, and Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge.

I'd probably buy new this time although I've had good luck buying 'certified' used cars off of leases, most recently a 2015 Audi A3 off of a 36-month lease cancelled after 24 I think? so pretty close to new - with manufacturer + dealer warranties; someone else having eaten the depreciation; low mileage, and full confidence that scheduled maintenance has been adhered to, prior to my taking ownership. Comfort and tech, of course reliability, and ease of third-party servicing and parts are all considerations for me.

Reasoned opinions very welcome; TIA for any thoughts at all. Buying is hard.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I just don't like Subaru. I've found them to be very unreliable and simply flawed design with unequal length headers. So I'd highly recommend Mazda. Very good value. Often luxurious interior. One of very few brands making their entire lineup very sporty. Subaru will probably go more places off-road.

[–] misterred@feddit.online 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is a concise and useful impression. Thank you. If I should consider anything beyond these two, I'd welcome any such suggestion. Leaning to the 2026 Mazda3 Hatchback 2.5 S Premium.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I guess I should ask what country you're in but the US has a huge shortage of small cars. ~~The Honda Civic hatch is probably the only other car I'd consider in this segment.~~ The Civic hatch only comes with a CVT 👎

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Older Subarus with the EJ25 are flawed in this way. However, unequal header length does not mean unreliability in any way, as many cars from long ago and even now have unequal header lengths. It just means the engine lumpishly goes brap brap brap at idle instead of clattering rhythmically.

The EJ25 had a few years in the mid-late 2000s where the head gasket was an inferior design, and it would need replacement at 100,000 mi (sooner if you romp on it a lot) as well as the timing belt and water pump, spark plugs and coils. An expensive maintenance.

Any Subaru past 2015 is fine. The new F-series engines use a timing chain and are very reliable. I'm currently running a 5th-gen Impreza with a manual.

Unlike the automatic Subarus, the manual ones have a limited slip center differential, which, while arguably worse for Jeep trails (Subarus are not meant for Jeep trails), it delivers torque more consistently front and rear (50/50, with limited slip bias to the wheels with grip) and handles more consistently than the clutch system the automatics have, turning your car into a rally car.

Also, Mazda uses a clutch system for 4WD.

How does this work? Your car is front wheel drive. When the front wheels start to slip, the computer engages a clutch to temporarily lock the rear wheels into the drive, so you get 4wd.

Subaru's system in the autos keeps that clutch engaged until you are turning, at which it mostly disengages, becoming mostly front wheel drive, until the front wheels slip, then it re-engages becoming fully 4wd again.

As for reliability, mine gets pounded with lots of miles, stop and go driving, and bad roads. I've only needed to replace my front lower control arms at 150,000 mi, which is better than my other cars, which needed tie rods more tie rods and all the tie rods as well as struts and sway bar links.

A lot of people don't like Subaru because of either dissent of popularity, impression they rust to hell (every car in the salt belt does this), or someone skimped on maintenance. What kills a Subaru engine is not checking and keeping your oil topped regularly. If it's 1/2 qt low, you top it off. 1qt low is danger level.

Mazda is a good car tho, but I trust the Subaru 4WD (auto or manual) to do the job much better. A lot of FWD based 4WD cars have issues when there's hills, as their 4WD systems are meant to get the car going on mostly level terrain and otherwise not do anything past that.

As for maintenance on CVT, ignore the manual saying lifetime fluid. This is nonsense. If it has a torque converter or a CVT belt it needs regular maintenance. Change it at 30,000-50,000 just like any automatic, and you won't have a problem.

The Subaru engines have a very wide torque band - anywhere over 3000 and you've got the power, which makes them easy to drive. That and they've managed to squeeze some impressive fuel economy despite being fully (as in all the time) 4wd cars.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's my understanding the unequal length headers are directly responsible for the common issue with ring lands on (I believe) cylinder 3. Could be wrong on that.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If that is the case, it would be a problem on the old EJ25 engines... the F series engines have equal length headers.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] misterred@feddit.online 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The details about CVT length headers are beyond my scope of concern but I do appreciate everything you've said, thanks very much.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The CVT is the transmission. All you need to know is that they're basically disposable. That I can say with certainty. This applies to the Subaru and Honda. Although I'm sure you can get the Subaru with a manual trans. The Mazda uses a standard hydraulic trans.

[–] misterred@feddit.online 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I realize we're talking about transmissions, and one of the reasons I've tilted toward the Mazda is that it does have an available manual. The Subaru model(s) I considered do(es) not. I just don't know enough about CVT technology to compare vehicles based on their length headers, but it's all good!

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

The headers are exhaust equipment and not at all related to the transmission. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.