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I have donated in the past, but then there were wild accusations, people saying it's not needed, it's to fund other things, and so on and so forth.
Yesterday I got the popup begging for a couple of euros, so what's the status? Should I donate or is it a waste of time and money?
Cheers
Edit: Thanks for all the insightful posts! I'm jobless at the moment so just ten bucks this time:
Sorry, what is the actual thinking here? Anyone who earns more than you shouldn't exist?
Without a highly paid CEO, wikipedia wouldn't exist.
Without donations, wikipedia wouldn't exist.
Therefore, if you want wikipedia to exist, you should donate.
My argument is that nobody needs 500k to do their job right and there is no justification for paying a manager five to ten times as much as an engineer, especially not on donation money.
I‘d rather give to a smaller project where the money actually ends up with the people who do most of the work.
The justification is, the market is competitive. If you want someone with the right skills, you need to provide them similar benefits to what they could receive elsewhere.
Suppose you only paid CEO's and other management the same rate as engineers. Do you think wikipedia's performance would be equal to what it presently is ?
Then go do that and stop loudly aligning with fascist goals of tearing down the last good part of the internet, weirdo
Criticizing top-down organizations where money flows up toward the least useful people being equated to fascism is fucking wild, bro. That's like the most standard left take.
Tearing down Wikipedia is in direct alignment with Fascists’s stated goals, I’m not equating anything.
If you are against Wikipedia you’re with Trump and Elon.
Make good choices
Oh yeah, the guy who fights for fair wages, universal basic income, free healthcare and equal rights for everyone criticizes that your favorite „non-profit“ organization looks more and more like a for-profit corporation every year and comes begging while wearing a gold watch. He must be a fascist.
No one in this comment section is against Wikipedia. You're making that shit up. We're saying they don't need your money, they can trim the fat off the top. They're also one of the most well funded orgs in the world. It doesn't take that much to host wikipedia.
If you think “hosting” is what it takes to run Wikipedia, we’re done here. Best of luck to you
You misunderstand my wording but I'll refrain from correcting you seeing as you have no intentions of having this discussion. Good day :-)
As an editor, based on the difference she made in community–WMF dynamics, I would say that Iskander is really useful.
I think the thinking is that half a million is a disgusting amount for anyone to earn annually and I tend to agree with that.
If someone offered you half a million a year you'd take it.
If other people with similar skills, experience, and attributes to yours were making more than you, you would want more.
It's not really that much money. Your local family doctor can make that much. Surgeons and medical specialists certainly can.
For perspective, 500k is effectively the same as zero compared to what the likes of Musk, Bezos and Ellison make from their assets.
You and this CEO are basically equivalent in wealth to those guys.
You can take issue with the remuneration here, sure, but this person doesn't have anything close to the economy breaking amount of wealth held by the actually wealthy
They are the ones we should be focusing our energy on.
Be angry at wealth, not income. That's what's fucking everything up right now.
I can think that both are gross beyond a certain point.
Does she really need the donations I've been giving to top her up to that level? Or is 300K more than enough for anyone? It would certainly be more palatable to those giving donations.
I think that utterly ridiculous wages at C level generally have become normalised and the amount of people in this thread defending a half a million salary is clear evidence of that to me.
Both can be gross sure, but even the biggest CEO income is not causing systemic economic problems because it's generally taxed somewhat properly and is ultimately tied to some amount of time and effort being spent (however little)
Wealth? Basically not taxed at all. Requires zero time and effort to make income.
What do people who make millions a year from assets do with that money?
Buy more assets, beyond a point everything they could possibly have as a living expense is covered.
What does someone with a lot of money do when bidding against people with less for an asset?
Drive the price up
This is why houses are expensive and will keep getting more so
This is why food is expensive and will keep getting more so
This is why energy is expensive and will keep getting more so
This is why everything is expensive and will keep getting more so
What happens then? Housing, food and energy is increasing something the non wealthy can afford.
Keep it up and the 99.9% won't be able own a thing and will ultimately have no power to change that.
Concentrated wealth is an existential issue
Oh I agree that gross levels of wealth are the bigger problem by a country mile. We're in total agreement there.
People earning half a million a year are still raking in money from earned wealth from excess money. I suppose my objections are twofold; that it's a donations based organisation and that wages just shouldn't be that high (and I grant you hers are at the lower level of many large companies C level packages).