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A community to satirize conservtive and right-wing "ideals".
This community (now) exists as a pressure valve, a place to process through humor the often frustrating world of conservative politics. Above all, this is NOT the place for serious conservative support/viewpoints/arguments. There are other places on Lemmy for that if you desire it.
Rules:
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Always follow .world instance rules
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Parody With Purpose: This is a space for humorous takes on conservative politics. We welcome satire, but draw the line at content that promotes racism, sexism, homophobia, or other forms of bigotry.
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Memes Over Manifestos: This community focuses on humor and parody, not serious political debate. There are plenty of spaces for earnest conservative discussion, this isn’t one of them.
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Highlight Contradictions: Sometimes the best content points out inconsistencies and hypocrisies in conservative talking points. Creative commentary is encouraged.
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Public Figures Fair Game: Politicians and pundits can be satirized, but no targeting of private individuals, doxxing, or harassment.
Children of public figures under the age of 14 are also off-limits, a 16 year old has enough free agency to break with or adopt their parents views. An 8 year old kid doesn't.
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No News Zone: Memes only, news or other serious content should be sent to the nearest relevant comm. Meme's of current events, however, are encouraged.
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Clear Satire: Make your satirical intent reasonably clear. We’re here to mock bad ideas, not accidentally spread them. If you're unsure how it will be taken, feel free to DM the mod team ahead of time or explicitly tag it as satire in the body.
A note on ChadMcTruth: Chad's content is 100% satire, but his work can sometimes be hard to tell, but if he posted it be assured, its satire.
- Relevant Content: All posts should relate to conservative politics or ideologies in some way somewhere in your post. Either in the title or the meme itself.
For more general political memes please see !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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Community Respect: Disagree with fellow members all you want, but personal attacks aren’t welcome. Save the criticism for the ideas, not each other.
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Moderation Discretion: Mods will use reasonable judgment in applying these rules. We’ll be fair, but firm. These kinds of comms have a tendency to get off the rails, so we might seem overzealous in moderation sometimes.
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For the moment, i'm allowing properly tagged NSFW content as long as its funny and relevant. Don't make me regret it.
And above all, HAVE FUN!
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So I think it goes without saying that I don't agree with... well, pretty much any of this. If you really want to talk about this I think it's gonna be a little bit of a hard road, but I'll take a stab at it.
Your whole message is generalities. That's a difficult starting point for a debate, because my generalities are radically different than these, but it's hard to talk about it because these kinds of broad statements are hard to argue for or against factually. It's just my world view versus your world view and us hurling disagreements at each other.
Let's start here: Would you describe Ron DeSantis as a conservative? Would you describe Biden as being on the left? I can talk to you about specific policies from DeSantis and Biden, and how they match up with your generalities, and it can be at least a factual conversation. Also, who are some examples of who you mean by "academics"? (some of the conservative ones who used to be around and some of the liberal ones who are currently around)
Hm. Okay, here's where I'm coming from: I've talked to a lot of people on the right who in my opinion say stuff, or think stuff about the world, that doesn't hold up to factual scrutiny. They hear a lot of people say certain things, and so they start saying it too, but they resist talking about it in a way that pins it down to facts; they just repeat the general viewpoint. I'm asking you specific questions about e.g. who are some academics who exemplify who you're talking about, so I can get my head around what you're trying to say as a specific thing that can be tested factually, as opposed to just a generality.
IDK if that conversation is something you're interested in. Out of curiosity, what college did you go to with all these conservative teachers? I went quite a while ago, and I remember one English teacher who was visibly liberal, and one econ teacher who was visibly conservative, and all the rest were apolitical as far as my knowledge of them.
Can you send me the quote?
Right, on this I think I know exactly what you're talking about and I probably agree with your view on the people you're talking about. A certain section of the academic left in the US has been skating towards something very weird that I think is un-fact-based, in a way that's actually very similar to the way I think a lot of people on the modern American right are un-fact-based.
Not the guy you asked, but at least to me, the generality is the issue. It isn't an issue that liberal academics exist such that any single person is worth a call-out, but rather that the academic system as a whole is significantly slanted.
I went through college recently, and between the two universities I was at, both were overwhelmingly liberal (politically speaking) when it came to university policy, and my teachers overwhelmingly expressed liberal political views, and I general, this is backed up by the data. The specific universities I've attended is something I'd rather not divulge here for privacy reasons, but I don't consider it particularly important to the issue since it extends beyond my own observations.
Right, but you get what I'm saying that I don't necessarily agree with the guy out of the gate? We kind of have to dig beyond the generalities in some capacity, if we ever want to get past just shouting the generalities at each other back and forth.
This, I can 100% agree with. I talked about it in my initial statement - I feel like academia is naturally pretty left-wing, and the military is naturally pretty right-wing, and neither of those is (in my opinion) something anyone has to "fix." It's just a natural product of the environment. More what I was surprised by was the other dude saying that his professors when he went to school were dominantly conservative.
I agree that just shouting generalities back and forth doesn't accomplish anything, but I find that moving to more specific things doesn't help in that kind of conversation anyway, just changes the scope. Rather, I find that discussing the values behind the concern and the effects of the generality to be a better use of time since it doesn't just fall into nitpicking an example. I find that this thread describes it best. Any specific examples often end up being somewhat trivial and arbitrary, when the real concern is with an overall trend
I agree that the slant doesn't need to be "fixed" per se. My issue is largely that the slant is often either entirely ignored when it might call an academic work into question, or used as some stupid "hurr durr right wing hates being smart" type talking point.