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Let's go one-for-one. Larry Ellison. Your turn. Just so I can know that I'm speaking with a thinking person.
I'd like to hear a few more
Nope. If I thought that you were actually curious, like you actually don't know and would like to learn, I would. If that is the case, tell me. But I do not get that feeling. Because you're proving to be one of those posters who adds nothing of substance and puts 100% of the impetus on your interlocutor, as though it were my job to educate you on something about which you could easily educate yourself. One singular Google search can give you your answer, but I guess blinders are nice if you don't wanna see what's to the left or right of you aren't they? You got a brain, use it if you want to learn. Don't use it if you want to pretend that your view is and has always been the only possible truth. But don't be surprised when most people call you out. It's your life. I've wasted enough time talking to people who discuss like 5th graders because they are aware of their lack of substance.
Look, if you like your viewpoint, say it clearly. That's all. It's the internet, say you're anything you want. But stop this word game shit like you're some super N'th level guy just loaded with the best and most relevant words and expressions with which to linguistically trap your opponent. Try honesty. Try clarity. It feels nice.
I did search it, and it led me to the antisemitic conspiracy theory
I think you've consumed neo-nazi propaganda disguised as anti-Israeli propaganda. Your one example, Larry Ellison, has no direct links to any media companies or government roles.
It's not my fault you open antisemitic propaganda pages. Do you give your bank info to random pop ups on porn sites too and then blame it on your computer? Weird how you keep using the word antisemitism when we are talking about Zionism. Why is that? Do you see how the conflation can happen? Most adults know how to use google, you can find tutorials but someone might need to show you how to use youtube first.
Are you just an open liar? The first page when you search his name is plastered with the term "Media Mogul".
https://fortune.com/2025/10/08/larry-ellison-technology-billionaire-media-mogul-family-david-ellison-artificial-intelligence-oracle-coding-cnn-tiktok-paramount-merger-deal/
This is why people don't talk to you. Stop with the games or leave me alone. You convince no-one. Actually, keep it up, people on the fence can see how dumb your position sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p9Y2Sayd3k
But yeah, not a guy who is connected in any way to a government or media organization. I'm done with you. I wish you could open your heart to the suffering of the world, but it's not my job to pry it open. It's not my heart to care about.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4qwwk0g0yo
But go on, let's hear about how Fortune and the BBC are Neo Nazi propaganda outlets. You freak. Fuck you. Saying that I consumed neo nazi propaganda? If you knew me.... But of course you don't. Fortune magazine? The BBC? God I hope you're a bot because I do not want to have wasted the past hour talking to a wall. I don't want to believe that anyone could be so dense.
But if you don't want to do any genuine research, as I said, kindly walk away. Keep your horrible, awful vibes to yourself and jerk off over every meter of the Gaza strip which bears a new Israeli flag planted in a generational family home. Be shitty. Who cares about you. It's you who will need to live with this.
Quite the reaction to being challenged on your views.
Do you consider that there's any overlap between antizionism and antisemitism at all?
More of a reaction to being treated like a child, we are adults. We can talk like adults. I am not an idiot, if you lie clearly, it will be clear.
To your question, yes, I think that there is overlap. And that is the danger. I have seen more antisemitism in the mainstream in the last 3 years than in my entire life. My great-aunt burned our family documents in the 90s because she was still afraid that another holocaust could happen. I understand the sensitivity. But it can never be an excuse to do to others what was done to your people. Nobody can look at what is happening and use any other word. We are witnessing a holocaust carried out by the people from which I come. Weep, do not cheer. I think that we are on the same side. I mean, I'm sure that we have different views on the state of Israel and its actions spanning the past 80 years.
But I believe that this genocide, which we all see daily, which we cannot deny, which is ruining the emotional health of former IDF soldiers used as pawns for an imperial endeavor and destroying the lives of their cousins that they are forced to dehumanize and kill, (Again, I speak in-person with former and current IDF members, do you?) is pushing people who might not have had much of an opinion, maybe they laughed at old Jewish jokes, pushing them towards actual hate, because people like Bibi constantly conflate this genocide as a holy war for the Jewish people. When in reality it is an imperial massacre. He and others like him conflate this genocide with protecting the Jewish people. Which side are you on, antisemitism, or pro-genocide of Arabs? Asks Bibi.
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So how do we identify antisemitism within that antizionism?
I'm not a scholar on the subject, but I would say that antisemites are racist again Jews, in the same way that other racists are racist against Arabs or blacks. The exact same thing, ethnic hate. It's usually pretty easy to identify real hate. Especially if you have been following this conflict. Look into Smoltrich's eyes when he speaks if you need a reference for what hate or evil looks like. There are also plenty of antisemitic podcasters out there. The difference is noticeable.
Antizionists do not believe in the extermination of the indigenous ethnic groups who were inhabiting Palestine AT THE TIME THAT THE EUROPEANS ARRIVED, but do not hate Jews in general. Many of us are jews or come from Jewish backgrounds. An antisemite might hate that a Synagogue opens down the street, an antizionist wouldn't care, but would hate that a mosque was demolished with anti-tank mines for a tik tok video in Gaza. It's a pretty easy thing to notice.
I have living relatives older than Israel, Israel is not Judaism. We do not believe that the land being stolen should be stolen, we do not believe that the people being massacred, should be massacred. We can call it Zionism because that is the word that we have come to use, but it's good ol' fashioned colonialism with a pretty name, and we both know it. If it makes you feel nicer, let's call it settler-colonialism. No connection to religion at all.
Something like that, it's actually a very easy distinction to make. The only people that I see struggling with the distinction are Zionists.
There is always going to be racism. But my fellow human being, genocide is taking place with our money, we are doing this. We will have to die one day and answer for this, and you know as well as I on which side of the scale this will fall.
Did you hear about the ceasefire? Let's see what Israel does. Let's just see.
So we both know that this conflict didn't pop up after the 7th of October.
But before the 7th of October, was there a ceasefire present? If so, what happened to it?
I am not a scholar on the subject, but if you would be so kind as to educate me on the topics wherein my knowledge is lacking I would appreciate that.
Before the 7th of October there was a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
Hamas broke the ceasefire with the 7th of October massacres.
Tell me about the Nakba? the first one.
Yes, Israel started as a colonist power, and the Palestinian people didn't yet have a national identity.
I hate this, though, since you can just keep going on and on about who started what and who owns what considering the history of the region. I love this music video since it really shows just how extensive this history is.
Yeah I know, and it almost seems hypocritical since we all basically come form colonial powers. but we used to to horrible shit all the time. We know better, we can be better. And to do it in the name of religion truly disgusts me. Like it or not, the tides are turning.
the only way for peace though is meeting both ways.
i think a good start is Hamas and the Bibi government being dissolved. Good luck with that though
Yeah I'm with ya there, that's the first step I'd like to see. The right wing in power now scares the bejesus out of me and has the possibility foment generations of hate.
He would lose if there were elections.
Well I mean I know that.