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Eyes Up's purpose is to "preserve evidence until it can be used in court." But it has been swept up in Apple's attack on ICE-spotting apps.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Very light on the details here. How did the app do this? What was the functionality of the actual app? From looking at the play store it seems to be basically a LE tracker as well, no matter how much they want to say it isn't. Getting cute and saying "no my app where you can tag where ICE agents are and upload photos of the ice agents isn't actually to track ICE agents, it's just a photo sharing app" doesn't actually work, no matter how much people on sites like this think it does.

Also lol at this:

Mark asked 404 Media to only use his first name to protect him from retaliation.

He released an app on the apple store, they know who he is.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, LE tracking apps should just be allowed, and we should boycott them for not doing so

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not when their sole purpose is to assist in breaking the law.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Unjust laws should be broken, Unjust law enforcement should be obstructed

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

What unjust laws? Immigration laws? People that break the law getting detained is unjust? Is that you, Jasmine Crocket?

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They have a right to fair trial, warrants, and to face their accusors. So long as these remain not done, the enforcement is unjust

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most of them have already had a “fair trial”/warrant/etc and been ordered to leave, and just…..didn’t.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No they didn't. They just said that without proving it, and you believed them despite the cases there they do wrongly deport citizens

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I’m curious why you think someone who entered the country illegally deserves a “fair trial” before being deported when they’re in the country illegally?

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Our law- rightly- operates on the basis or natural rights. Endowed by their creator, and inalienable. Do you know what that means? It means rights aren't something given to you by the constitution, you are born with them just for being a person, and they cannot be taken away. If we have a right to fair trial, so does everyone who ever lived, whether they got them is just a matter of how oppressive their governments were. Illegal immigrants are people and thus have natural rights.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 38 minutes ago

You don’t have a right to a “fair trial” for not being able to prove you’re a citizen or have a valid visa to be in the country though lol. This doesn’t need a trial because there’s nothing to argue, nothing in question. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@FreedomAdvocate @IzzyJ because you can't establish whether they're in the country illegally without a fair trial.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago) (2 children)

Yes you can lol. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.

Can you determine if someone has a drivers license without a trial?

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 0 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

@FreedomAdvocate What's the process to make sure those get checked before you get punished for being there? I say "you" on purpose - if I said "freedom advocate is here illegally! Take them!" and they believed me and threw you in the back of a van, what would you expect to happen at that point? Who would you speak to? How? How would you make sure they did what needed to be done to establish *your* legality? How would you make them check your papers?

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 9 minutes ago

They wouldn’t punish me in the first place because they’d have checked their records and seen that I am a citizen. No one is just being rounded up on an allegation and deported. No citizens have been deported.

You’re saying that they don’t follow procedures, and your solution is……procedures?

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 0 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

@FreedomAdvocate if I were law enforcement I probably could establish whether you had a driver's licence, but who's making me do it? If I tried to put you in jail for driving without a licence, even though you had a licence that I didn't check, what's your recourse?

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 8 minutes ago

So your argument is that they disregard procedures, and your solution to this is…… procedures?