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(regarding Drew DeVault's opinion piece on Hyprland and its conservative/fascist dev and toxic community)
@H4rdStyl3z what's wrong on being a centrist?
Also, at least the admins also show their true face.
(edited the comment for clarity, lol)
Neutrality always supports the status quo.
am curious, how's that?
You must either be Left or Right. The Left will decide which one you are.
Well, rightoids are known for claiming to be centrists, claiming to be libertarians, claiming that rightism is "default and apolitical", etc and so forth.
And Lefties are known for saying anyone who thinks you should be able to contract someone to do a job for you for an agreed upon payment is a fascist.
Tankies aren't really leftists, they're authoritarians.
Why does this feel like a reference to a specific example you're not explaining?
Basic liberalism?
Oh, you're one of those Illiterates that thinks Liberals are "The Left" instead of just Diet Conservatism.
Carry on, I won't bother you anymore.
See, case in point, folks!
Lmao sure buddy
You must be new here.
there are only two ideologies
mine and nazis
What‘s your ideology, goat?
I avoid labelling myself as I don't think it does any good.
But gun to the head, I'd have to say I'm an environmentalist with a touch of social ecology. Though I avoid calling myself a social ecologist because it can be affiliated with violence, and I'm not opposed to governments.
Socially, I care most about freedom, expression and democracy.
What about yourself?
Ah, alright. The mod of a ~~nazi bar~~¹ highly politicized community² doesn't like labels and then strategically formulates the most broad and empty perspective about their own ideological thought, one can come up with. I applaud the skill³ you excercise.
Let me try one like that, but from my perspective:
I avoid labelling myself as I don’t think it does any good.
But gun to the head, I’d have to say I’m also somewhat of an environmentalist, but actually more of a humanist with a touch of economic analysis. Though I avoid calling myself an economic analyst because it can be affiliated with radicalism, and I’m not opposed to democratic institutions.
Socially, I care most about justice, liberation and human dignity.
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lol i think you're mad because i didn't fit into your preconceived notions and your whole dialogue tree is ruined
also if this is a nazi bar, why are you here?
a. If you think I'm a nazi in a bar, that's not a nazi bar: why am I still here, bartender?
b. If you think I'm not a nazi, but in a nazi bar, the real question would be: what are you doing here, bartender?
Lol ya, big ass gotcha, haha. Why you think my notion is preconceived? I'm working with what you give me.
well why else are you so mad?
I'm mad, because you are an enabler of fascist narratives, counterfactuality and hate speech.
oh? how's that?
See: nazi bar, and you being the bartender.
lmao, that doesn't answer anything. Where are the fascist narratives? The counterfactuality? The hate speech?
You spread fake news during a genocide. You can't do nazier shit than that
And their true face is fucking ugly.
Who can support the horrid state of things. Give me a progressive over a centrist any day.
You're aussie, aren't ya?
By centrist, I mean either centre-left or centre-right, not fully centrist. I understand that being a pure centrist is pretty much impossible, but sliding into authoritarianism is the worst thing that can happen (and it's already happening around the world tbh). Both far-left and far-right have shown they only have repression in mind, and they all benefit the elites instead of the public. There's nothing perfect in either political system, but at least the centrist forces do allow some criticism if it means it will make things better imo.
And yet in the US at least, extremism won out over the centrist option, I would argue, because the centrist option was TOO centrist, and people were sick of it.
@Reverendender This is what happens when you only provide two options on the ballot - the left and the right (not to mention the president is also the executive). In much of the rest of the democratic world, systems allow for the existence of multiple political parties, so that people have where to choose from. Usually, no single party holds the majority, so forces have to form coalitions in order to form a government. This has the effect of a better representation, as extremist views are usually held only by a small minority of a population (see for example the coalition in the EU Parliament, which is leaving the far-right political families on the side).
There is a flip-side to it, indeed, where a situation like the one in France can occur - where the parliament is almost evenly split between the political groups - i.e. the center, the left and the far right. This could lead to political crises, as it makes coalition negotiations harder, but I think it is still a better outcome than having the far-right get in full control of the government.
The US political system was thought out in a way to keep extremist forces away from the mainstream, which was a good intention, but the architects of this system didn't think about the possibility of at least one of these political forces (i.e. the right in this case) to slide into authoritarianism and extremism.
I saw some opinions on the internet about the fact that there are still some Republicans who do not agree with the MAGA movement, but they're pretty much unable to do anything - MAGA has closed the ranks in the entire GOP leadership and at this point it is pretty much impossible to overthrow it.
Anarchism is a far left movement and it is very much the opposite of repression or benefiting the elite instead of the public.
That sounds promising, but you still need someone to implement it. And once they're in power, we're not sure whether that person will hold their power or if they'll be happy to give up on it.
The problem is that the Left can't agree on where the centre is.
That's not what centrism means, but yeah, I'm not happy about that. The corrupt political class of ours has all the means to make billions anyway from mismanaging our taxes, so sending weapons or not does little in this regard.
Well they are the center.
We are one of the country that recognizes Palestine though. And our communist dictator maintained good relations with both Israel and the Palestinian Authority. They could have easily said that we're no longer recognizing Palestine and be done with it.
That's fine. Yet the centrists let the genocide happen and you know it
Everyone let the genocide happen. We simply had more pressing issues in our proximity.
You know better :)
I'm not German, I am Romanian. Yes, there appears to be one batch of shipment to Israel, but that's about it (at least so far).
Our defense industry lies almost dead and buried, so there's nothing to produce to begin with. And that is with another 3-year-old war at our borders.
What you could say about us is that we still keep our relationship with Elbit (the company that owns the factories the hardware was sent from) but that's about all the military relationship we have with that genocidal state.
And no, we did not make billions out of this (maybe Elbit did). Our current government struggles to reduce the fiscal deficit by increasing taxes, cutting spending where it's needed the most (like from education and culture), while keeping privileges for judges and other magistrates who have the ability to retire at 47 years old with pensions 10 times higher than the one of the average folk. That's pretty much where the billions are coming from, rn. So if there is any billion that might have come to my country since Israel invaded Gaza, I personally didn't feel the difference. Quite the contrary, I finish the month with less money than before this year.
I hope that makes the picture more clear.
Well, I can flex on the fact that we're not part of Russia yet :)
(jk)