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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah well, antidepressants are cheaper, easier and probably healthier than doing a revolution. Also, it's hard to do a revolution when you're depressed - organizing a revolution takes a lot of time and effort and just because the reasons for the illness are external doesn't mean you don't still have that illness.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Historically the biggest problem with revolutions is what happens after. It's very common for people with some form of power to use the opportunity of a revolution to step in and take over after the previous government is destabilized, which usually results in even worse corruption and abuse of authority. Revolutionaries often don't plan very well for how to actually run a country post-revolution.

The US revolution is an exceptional case study. I think it's very important to recognize that the people who led that revolution spent a lot of time planning how to actually run a government that was not a monarchy. There were a lot of meetings, literally people (OK all white men, which created a host of follow-on problems, but that's another story) sitting around talking about government operation for hours, days, months, before they agreed on the Articles of Confederation, and then in a few years they realized they fucked it up and they needed to start over. Then they had years more debate about government bureaucracy before finalizing the Constitution. How many people do you know, personally, today, who have that kind of patience and obsessiveness about the minutiae of government structure, to sit and talk about it for days at a time? Do you even have the attention span to read this entire wall of text? How about the Federalist Papers?

Also, those people had a rare context:

  1. Once they kicked the monarchists out, they were the most powerful people around, with the most guns, land, money, and public support. They didn't have to worry about other competing interests, only each other.
  2. They had protection from a more powerful nation (France) that really didn't care what they did with their new country so long as they weren't paying taxes to the British crown anymore.

They functionally existed in a shielded bubble that provided years to get their shit together, with room to restart after failure. Few other revolutions have had that kind of opportunity.

The point being, if you want to actually create a better society you have to plan for it extensively, and you need the time and space and resources to actually implement it, and you had better be thinking about that before the revolution. If you don't have the passion for building a better world, if your primary interest is just in tearing down the existing one, then your priorities are fucked and the world would be better off if you didn't start. You're just angry and angsty, you want violence and destruction, you don't actually care about the consequences or the well-being of other people.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Hear, hear! Government is indeed genuinely hard even if you go in with good intentions, have at least some qualifications and don't need to fight off counterrevolutionairies and external enemies all the time, and untreated depression (or whatever other mental illness one might have) would be very detrimental every step of the way.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

cheaper

If you want to live to old age (I'm ambivalent) you literally cannot afford to not have a revolution. More on this later.

easier

Nope. Those supply lines are crazy, the contrivances of insurance and IP law require so much bureaucracy, and then there's tje side effects; of both capitalism and the drug.

healthier

Los Angeles kinda burned down and was drowned by toxic smoke last winter because we spent all the city and county money on cops to protect rich people from hearing the poor say "please stop" at scale and nothing preventing or preparing for the disasters our city/region is known for, that my grandmother, who had never been here, loved songs about. Best economic system. We're rebuilding in the same places, with houses just as flammable. The people know it's dumb, but the wealthy make the decisions. There was toxic fallout over the entire god damn city. It got everywhere. I'm almost certainly getting at least one cancer about this.

This summer those cops saturated us with so much tear gas it poisoned the water protecting capital's geopolitical interests from people asking the government to stop paying to blow up hospitals with their tax dollars. Billions of dollars annually. Basically the only industry employing certain kinds of engineers. To blow up hospitals. So healthy. So cheap. So safe.

Today (technically yesterday but my sleep schedule is fucked) theres a potential for flash floods and I got emergency warnings about 'debris flows' which is like mudslides/flash floods but of toxic waste that nobody cleaned up because there's no profit in that.

We aren't special. This shit happens everywhere.

depression makes revolution harder

Yeah, it does. But wanting to die can also be a strength, and capitalism causes and worsens depression.