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Elon Musk
Popularized electric cars, funded the design for re-usable space rockets and gave people on the rural areas aswell as Ukrainian soldiers internet access.
The flood of downvotes now demonstrates how all this is ignored because people hate him nevertheless.
Oh yeah that internet access that they pulled when Ukraine were engaged with Russia in combat and reliant on.
It still has been and continues to be invaluable for their war effort. You can go ask any Ukrainian.
Yeah only when daddy Elon says they can use it tho
If Elon letting them use starlink is not a good thing then why is it a bad thing when he doesn't let them use it? Could you lay out your argument with a little more detail because I don't quite follow.
Because the original person said that Elon is a good guy because he gave them that internet access. Except he yoinks it when their lives depend on it during a live military action to suit their opposition (Russia). That's not a very good guy thing to do.
I never claimed he's a good guy. That's not what OP was asking
Yes, that's because it is similar to saying "Yeah, but not everything Adolf Hitler has done was bad!".
Except it's not, because he didn't wage war and kill millions of people. I guess being an edgelord douche is the same as being Hitler these days though.
I did not say he is being Hitler. He is just listing some positive aspects and wonders why he gets down voted. It's just the same procedure, not the a comparison of Musk to Hitler. Both have fanboys and they just have to deal with the public opinion of the guy. It's not really a surprise about the downvotes, right?
I wasn't talking about the downvotes. I was talking about your analogy, which I still don't understand.
Ok so that dude says that musk did positive things (which is debatable but that's not the point). People vote him down and he is pissed of by this. So he brings that ppl will downvote him, because people generally dislike Elon Musk anyway.
As Germany had to deal with the Nazis a lot of people were subjected to massive propaganda as the Nazis basically controlled all the public information sphere. So what happened was that many/some people read in the newspapers about positive aspects of the Nazi/Hitler rule and they believed.
They later learned (when the 3rd Reich collapsed and the war ended) what a mess the Nazis left behind with millions of deaths and eradicated families. Many people still of course knew what happened but we're subject to repression or just went along with it. Propaganda still leaves an impression especially considering that many young people back then grew up wrapped in dense propaganda.
Now the analogy is that there were probably positive aspects of the Nazi Regime for some people. Since after the war there is a stereotype about people in discussions about the time saying "yeah, but not everything was bad!". They might list things like that "Hitler" (the government) build Autobahns (which were invented earlier anyway) or hospitals or something else. Just like a government should care about its people. These people are correctly being punched in the face for saying this, as we all know that in the background the Nazis made half of Europe suffer from their ideology.
The punch in the face would be a downvote here, as Musk is not to be idolized as he is just a manchild with too much money and he does not care about humanity or humankind.
That wasn't the question
Do you actually think it was cheaper to launch all those satellites than it would be to lay fiber for rural areas?
Almost definitely yeah. Just like skipping landlines and going directly to mobile phones was a lot cheaper in places like Africa.
He popularized electric cars while giving his workers horrible working conditions and human rights abuses. I gotta say I like SpaceX, but NASA being underfunded is a problem, because a national space program being dependent on a private company is not good.
Starlink has been good for internet access, the downside is that it'll become part of the space trash problem in some years.
Elon Musk is still a piece of trash.