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WhatsApp will soon be your one-stop solution for all your chat apps
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I can't wait for signal/session/simplex to be whatsapp compatible, but I'm not sure they can provided the e2ee gurantees since whatsapp is closed source.
At least that's what they said it uses.
I fear that Signal won't implement cross compatibility for WhatsApp since they already said that they are not a fan of potentially giving up E2EE to get it to work. And I can understand that but I still really would like to have the cross compatibility.
I hope Signal doesn't if it won't be E2EE. I like knowing that if it's in Signal, it's E2EE, and being able to tell less technically sophisticated people to whom I recommend Signal that everything in it is secure against eavesdropping.
Beeper will do it, if you self host, it shouldn't be terrible
Signal and also lots of other privacy focused messenger-services (threema e.g.) already said the will not implement this forced interoperability since it will lower their already high standards regarding their users privacy. Sad but i guess it makes sense :(
So users of those apps will have to install the even less secure apps to converse with "normies". Great move.
Uh, news flash: Signal and Meta are business partners and WhatsApp (just as Facebook Messenger) uses Signal's encryption:
https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp/
https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/
The ability to sell proprietary versions of Signal libraries is literally the reason for Signal's Contributor License Agreement: https://signal.org/cla/
it's still closed source, so we can't make guarantees about WhatsApp conversation participants.
"We" can't but Signal, who work on WhatApp's source code, can: https://signal.org/blog/there-is-no-whatsapp-backdoor/
tldr: When contacts have verified each other, communication is secure.
If you think that Signal can't be trusted, you should not use their client either.
signal may have given a fully vetted and correct implementation to whatsapp, but because its closed source we don't know if it has changed, or if its really implemented on all conversations.
It changes the trust model of conversation participants.
To answer your query, if signal was closed source, I wouldn't trust it either.
They were not "given" it. They are literally the contractor who worked on that: "Over the past year, we’ve been progressively rolling out Signal Protocol support for all WhatsApp communication across all WhatsApp clients." –https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/
I'm not an encryption developer. I can't vet this for Signal's own app either.
...and because its closed source, community cryptography developers and researchers can't vet it for you either. That is the core issue, its not about trust.
It's about capabilities that inform the threat model, and the exposure model.
Please keep it civil.
Copy that, ghost rider. That's my bad.
The self-proclaimed rapist is really one to judge...
I assume it's a reference to It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
So he calls himself a rapist and others "assholes" just for fun? Phew, I'm so relieved. I really thought he violated rule 9 (No offensive or unhelpful content) just for a second...
Ever heard of TV?