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[-] pedro@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Depends on what frequency your "mirror" mirrors.

A traditional one reflects higher frequency of electromagnetic rays (visible light) than what you need for wifi (in the microwave frequencies)

[-] erez@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

So you're saying the walls of an old microwave might do the trick

[-] Shard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Jokes aside, anything made of metal will be a good enough reflector for most consumer use.

A coke can cut vertically in half makes a great parabolic relfector. Pepsi can maybe. Dr pepper not recommended.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Actually yes.

Microwave ovens work by exciting water molecules using many hundreds of watts of ~2.45 GHz microwaves.

This specific frequency has a heating effect on water, so when you blast enough of it at food, which is often very saturated with water, it will heat up. The heat energy will transfer to the rest of the molecules in the food by contact.

That's the general idea at least.... I'm sure there's more interactions that happen, water is just the most significant, to my knowledge.

So the protection in the microwave is capable of reflecting (for the purposes of containment) 2.4Ghz microwaves very well, and bluntly, does a good job with many other radio waves too, across a pretty broad band of frequencies.... so the material that makes up the protective chassis of a microwave is ideal for making a reflector for wifi, since it was constructed with the idea of reflecting 2.4Ghz frequencies. Microwave ovens create the signal fairly crudely with a magnetron, but the underlying concepts are the same.

[-] Bene7rddso@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

If it's a silver layer on a glass/plastic pane (like basically any mirror) and it's big enough (more than idk, let's say 20 cm to be safe) why wouldn't it mirror the lower frequencies too?

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Not enough interaction with the waves.

I'm not fully versed on all the physics of it, but to my understanding, the layer of silver that makes up the reflective surface of a mirror is crazy thin, like, less than the thickness of paint.

The basic concept I was explained is that the longer the wavelength (lower frequency) the easier it is for it to penetrate obstacles, specifically things that are relatively opaque to radio waves. The very high frequency (small wavelength) waves of light, are so small that almost everything interacts with them; so when they make it to the silver layer, despite that silver layer being impossibly thin, the >100THz waves, will bounce. When dealing with stuff that's much lower frequency (like 2GHz to 5Ghz, many orders of magnitude lower frequency), there's not enough of the material to interact with the wave to have any significant effect on its propagation, so it passes right through.

This is a good observation and a great question. I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific, I'm just not as well versed in the physics of it all to really get into the details; but I hope this helps.

[-] pedro@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah probably but it might absorb some or even more thant it reflects

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