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With increasing dogmatism on the far right, ideology that should have become extinct rears its ugly head. If we don't stop this, a lot of innocent people will get hurt in the end.

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[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

She was their founder and it took until 2020 for them to renounce her.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Repeating your argument doesn't make it any more valid.

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It wasn't just a plaque on some wall they were removing, 2020 is when they finally denounced her.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ok, that still doesn't address the root of my argument, so I will ask it in a different way.

Can you prove that planned parenthood was explicitly embracing Sanger for her eugenics beliefs, instead of her beliefs about the importance of reproductive rights?

For example, people in this country openly embrace George Washington. Yet he was a slaver. He had slaves. But the people who see George Washington as a source of good for our country typically don't include the slavery part as the good part.

Would you consider organizations that honor George Washington to be racist?

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Your George Washington straw man misses the mark, he didn't fight for slaves. It's more like beatifying General Lee, slave owner and general for the confederacy. I would say people that support General Lee are racists.

I don't have to prove PP publicly approved of Sanger's eugenics. They knew about her past, celebrated her and tried to down play her racists ramblings up until 3 years ago. Their current statement on her should have happened 40 years ago.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your George Washington straw man misses the mark, he didn’t fight for slaves.

That's not the basis for my comparison, and therefore not relevant. The basis for comparison was that he, just like Sanger, is a historical figure that did a lot of good, while also doing a lot of bad.

"I don’t have to prove republicans publicly approved of Washington's slavery and slaughter of the natives. They know about his past, celebrate him, and continue to this day to try to down play his racist actions."

Do you still not see the problem here?

Would you consider organizations that honor George Washington to be racist?

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Washington did not fight for slavery, did not advicate for it, and infact freed all the slaves he owned. He was not a champion of slavery. Sanger viewed abortion and birth control as a means to stop the undesirables from reproducing. She championed eugenics, PP was just a side effect of her goals.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You still haven't answered my question.

Would you consider organizations that honor George Washington to be racist?

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No because Washington didn't use the revolutionary war to enact slavery.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

He had slaves. And that was racist regardless of his opinion on the matter. He explicitly called for the genocide of natives.

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You are definitely going to need a source for that claim.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I must have missed where in all those sources Washington "explicitly called for the genocide of natives."

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Try reading some of these things then.

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What things? None of your references have Washington explicitly calling for genocide. The only ones that do mention the word genocide are opinion pieces and don't have any references of Washington calling for genocide.

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