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Empathic? That walking leather kink suit? Oh please.
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You mean the daughter he thought was dead at this point?
Jedi powers kept changing from movie to movie, so its more inconsistent writing than anything else.
At that point she's is not his daughter in the script itself. And he is not absurdly powerful as portrayed later by fans and prequels.
He's an angry evil space monk.
Have you seen Klingons?
Like when Kirk et al left the galaxy but it's going to take Voyager decades to get back from another quadrant.
We could go on about just Voyager honestly.
Stardates.
The Warp Speed Limit appears to have just been dropped.
Pretty sure Kirk also broke warp 10 before and no one turned in to a lizard.
Star Trek has plenty of inconsistency too, these are just some examples.
It sounds more like you're unhappy someone is criticizing a thing you like. We like it too. Sometimes we do it so someone who is writing can recognize a problem and improve. Sometimes we do it because it's fun. Like Weird Al parodying a song you like.
I think a better suggestion is that she was weakened by the stun blaster. Leia hadn't developed her force powers much at all at that point, so being in a weakened state could lead Vader to thinking nothing much of her. He would expect his child to be unusually powerful, of course.
Honestly I believe “20 years of hatred fueled by the belief that both of your children are dead clouds your perception” over “well she got stun gunned recently” lol
People in general are really bad at reconsidering life-defining events under a different light, impulsive people most of all, so it's not out of character for Vader to ignore any instincts that tell him there's a connection between him and Leia.
Vader could likely sense that Leia had some latent Force Sensitivity, but so do a lot of people. The inquisitors only cared if they were former Jedi or Jedi in training.
He also didn't realize Luke, whom he almost killed at the end of the movie, was his son either. At least not immediately.
Since Luke still called himself "Skywalker", it was pretty easy for him to put 2-and-2 together after the Death Star event. He had to read Luke's mind on the second Death Star to figure out that he even had a daughter (Anakin did not know Padme was having twins, so he never bothered to search for another child after Luke) and even then he still doesn't know it was Leia Organa, he only refers to her as "your sister".
Obviously the precognition that comes from being an adept user of the Force doesn't allow you to simply pluck knowledge from thin air.
Yeahhhhhh see there’s your problem. You’re taking Star Wars lore too literally. Don’t you know you can’t take every little thing Star Wars adds and assume its actually supposed to make any sense other than “this sounds cool”?
/s, but also not really
Yeah I didn't say it was a good suggestion, just that it was better lol.
Here's my cool guess: Maybe he can sense her, but she was introduced to him as an important political figure first, which caused a blindspot in identifying any personal relevance she may have to him. Luke was sensed without any context because he was actively training?
Nah, the easy explanation is the Force is fucking with Vader.
My guess was always that she was an active Force user, but since she didn't spend a lot of time around other Force users, she learned to use her power defensively (being taught to hide from enemies as a child).
So she developed a natural "cloaking" effect, which she cultivated over time, and used to keep hiding from people (her father, the Empire) during her various escapades, so by the time she met Vader all her skill points were dumped into Hide in Plain Sight.
...and since why would Vader bother taking a second look at the Force presence of a random Senator's daughter...
She was his daughter, and based on Lukes feats and Yodas yammering, she is also insanely powerful. It is fully possible her raw force powers, instinctively honed into an "you ain't seeing shit" effect over her entire life, are strong enough to bluff him.
The real cause is that she wasent his daughter at this point in the movies, because luke and leia weren't related in the first one. George "i want han solo to be a lizard man" lucas leaned in and made it "weird" after the fact.
How did she bluff Vader? He took her and tortured and interrogated her, he didn't fall for her lie. And she didn't even know she was his daughter at the time, so why would he have sensed that?
I read an interview with Dave Filoni. He basically said that what he’s trying to fix with all the Star Wars shows on Disney+. He’s trying to fill in the major plot holes, clarify stuff the writers left vague, and make the movies at least somewhat reasonable.
As a nerd, I appreciate the effort, but he’s got a LOT of work to do.
Agreed. Original trilogy and sequel trilogy is what I was referring to. He’s trying to use the shows to bridge that gap.
I think 'foresaw his wife's pained death, choked her out in a fit of rage on a lava planet, lost consciousness, then woke up and immediately learned she had died (which was true by then)' is a bit more convincing evidence his kids didn't make it than 'someone lied to him'.
It could also depend on the force users mind
vader could have unconsciously ignored his force senses because he beleives she was dead