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[-] Throbbing_Banjo@midwest.social 65 points 1 year ago

The facial expressions on this one are perfect lol. Good work!

[-] CeruleanRuin 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Counterpoint: Vader was not a potted plant.

He's got SOOO many plates spinning! He's very busy being the driver of the entire plot of a great big saga. There's a lot on his mind.

What have you done today, Deanna? Eating a fudge sundae doesn't count.

To step out of the bit for a moment, when people criticize Troi, they're really criticizing the writing. This character is there to look good and rarely gets anything meaningful to do, and when she does, it's almost always redundant or superfluous to the situation. Marina Sirtis deserved so much better.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

*sundae

"Look! I have one job on this lousy ship, it's stupid, but I'm gonna do it! Okay?"

[-] RavenFellBlade@startrek.website 22 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I wonder if Galaxy Quest didn't understand Trek better than some actual Trek shows?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Agreed. I started to bring that up, too, but my comment was turning into an essay, so I decided to reduce it all to a pithy two words.

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[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Force powers are vague psychic/mystic stuff. We see Vader sense Kenobi, and he can tell that Luke is strong with the force when he is focusing on him. And there's other stuff like sensing Alderaan blowing up or things happening in other places and times (aka literally anything the plot wants the character to see). But the rules just really aren't clear, especially in the original trilogy. There's no indication given that Vader should be able to sense that someone is related to him, nor would he be able to pull it from Leia's mind since she doesn't know either. If anything, he should have sensed the millennium falcon coming in to cover Luke during the trench run, that seems like the more obvious thing to be able to detect.

Troi has empathy, which is a much more clearly defined concept. And while they stray from that sometimes by letting her sense danger or other nebulous generalities, we do know that she should be able to sense emotions, intentions and honesty vs deception. That makes it stand out when the script seemingly forgets that she should be able to sense lies, deception, and malicious intent. Conman pretending to be a researcher from the future lies in order to steal from them and she can't tell that he's a fraud. The staff at a party are getting ready to grab weapons and take them all hostage, and she doesn't notice. These are situations that call for things that are well within her established skillset.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

I like it when memes get defensive right in the meme itself. Really sets my phaser to kill, if you know what I mean.

[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

okay, one: vader? an empath? really?

two: even if he was how is empathic reading supposed to tell him she's his daughter? it's telempathy, not remote gene testing. it isn't like leia was feeling familial affection for the guy.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vader can sense Luke repeatedly throughout 5 and 6. Luke can sense Leia in 5 and 6. Vader can sense Leia at the end of 6. But no one ever asked why Vader couldn't do it in 4. Hopefully this helps.

[-] VindictiveJudge@startrek.website 15 points 1 year ago

Vader only starts sensing Luke after he gets some training and goes from being merely Force sensitive to a proper Force adept. Trained adepts are consistently shown in the franchise to be easier to sense than untrained sensitives, like Leia.

Vader only knows Luke is his son after being told his name. He only finds out Luke has a sister after ripping the knowledge from his mind, and it's unclear if he got her name.

In 4, Vader senses Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star, but not Luke's.

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[-] OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

As an Irish person, Troi doing this impression boiled my piss more than Up the Long Ladder

[-] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

I’m gonna need a translation here.

[-] OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago
[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

What a beautiful language

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Something about Guinness

[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Up the Long Ladder is an episode in which they picked up some backwater folks with Irish accents, in which the hot Irish woman existed mainly to yell about how men are useless and then bang Riker after coyly attracting him by asking him to wash her feet. It is widely regarded as not a great episode, and the only way they could have stereotyped the Irish further would be if someone ran through each scene yelling about how they're always after his lucky charms.

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[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Let's talk Vader.

Vader didn't even know about Leia until Luke leaks it in RotJ. During the Vader/Luke duel is the first and only time Vader acknowledged Leia. Luke's thoughts turned to her during that fight. Vader saw that "weakness", the attachment, and he leapt on it. And it worked (for a moment).

Now it's possible Vader had a rough idea of her existence near the finale of Empire. Luke calls out to Leia. Leia is with Luke when Vader calls out to Luke. I expect Vader was too distracted to notice Leia.

Back to A New Hope. Vader doesn't suspect anything until Obi-wan shows up on the Death Star. Why is Obi-wan here? What is he doing? Then he just disappears? Something about the crew he arrived with is suspicious. Then during the Death Star trench run. He is focused. Vader can sense something. Vader can sense something that can not be. Obi-wan has a Padawan? Why now? Who? Then Han Solo fires at him. Vader should have seen it coming, but he was distracted.

Sooo! Vader seeing Leia opening? He just had no idea.

[-] ryan@the.coolest.zone 12 points 1 year ago

Ok but would y'all actually want to see a mental health counselor who could read your mind? I'd avoid the psychiatry department like the plague.

[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I would just hide out in the holodeck instead.

[-] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

So that explains Broccoli.

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[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Fan theory: Vader recovered just fine in a few days thanks to space aged technology, but used the event as a facade to wear his kink gear full time.

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[-] Norgur@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

It's not your empathic abilities, Troi. It's the amount of leading question and interpretations you barrage your clients with that leads me to the conclusion that... well... you are a little shit at your job.

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