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submitted 11 months ago by Five@slrpnk.net to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

Relevant due to the Canadian monument that was recently defaced. Image via RadicalGraffiti@todon.eu.

This is a plea not to whitewash Ukraine's nazi past or minimize the fascist presence in its forces, but to defend its people from fascism and imperialism. Anarchists and Communists are fighting for the Ukrainian people against Russia, and are calling for solidarity.

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[-] Despair@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This post mirrors similar posts made in /c/world@lemmy.world and /c/worldnews@lemmy.world where the user making the post was trying to assert that Canada welcomes Nazi soldiers. You can skim my profile for comments I've made on those posts within the last 24hs if you want a bit of context.

Both of the original posts were deleted from their respective communities so trying to follow the comments leads to an error page informing you that the post could not be found.

Here are some screenshots I have of the users' partially censored usernames and the associated post titles which are very similar to the wording in the title used here (I'm using censored names because I'm unsure if naming users is against the rules).
lemmygrad user posting to /c/world@lemmy.world
lemmynsfw user posting to /c/worldnews@lemmy.world

I'm guessing that this is getting pushed due to a recent incident involving a Canadian House of Commons speaker, and trolls have been trying to push Ukrainians as Nazis since then.

[-] chorf@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If anyone came straight to the comments, I strongly encourage you to read the article right now. You can make your own judgement about what the above commenter is trying to do after reading it.

[-] Despair@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I probably inferred too much from the post's title, especially after I had seen previous posts with very similar titles framing Canada as being supportive of Nazis.

While I don't agree with OP's stance of associating people today with people from +70 years ago, people have differing perspectives on things and my opinion is going to be based off of how much I perceive the two things to be relevant. To me, their stance would be like holding a person accountable because their grandparents destroying a building long before they were even born.

[-] chorf@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

What if instead of destroying a building the grandparents instead did the holocaust, and the grandchildren put up statues of their grandparents and held parades for them, and invited them into the Canadian Parliament? That sounds worse than your analogy doesn't it?

[-] Despair@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The grandparents are still being held accountable for what they did, I don't believe in descendants inheriting crimes, this is where I disagree with OP. Celebrating the grandparents in this example would be the same as celebrating the Holocaust and the people responsible for it.

I consider society to be "dynamic"; it will change over time, and it makes more sense to make judgements of a general population based off of currently living people and how the newer generations are trending. Basing observations on a generation that is dead/will be dead within the next 15 years does not feel like it can be used to represent the current population. The changes are gradual but when you're already generalizing large groups of people, it's easier to break it up by what generation has done/are doing and if they are still around. There is going to be some bleed over between generations, but looking at how the newer generations are changing seems like a better way to see how a population will be changing in the long term.

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